[governance] A false consensus is broken

michael gurstein gurstein at gmail.com
Fri Dec 21 10:13:40 EST 2012 

Or Parminder used/quoted colourful journalistic language in a journalistic medium...

Anyway, why this pre-occupation with one perhaps infelicitous turn of (journalistic/diplomatic?) phrase ... Is this the US Congress/Fox News where a fairly comprehensible mispeak can lead to a total "gothcha" pre-occupation (the Benghazi "discussions") for purely political purposes to the exclusion of substantive debate...

M 

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From: apeake at gmail.com [mailto:apeake at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:55 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
Subject: Re: [governance] A false consensus is broken

Come on Michael, many of those are links to the same story!

The facts are no country walked out, do you agree?  So which is it:
Parminder is not telling the truth?  Parminder does not know what he's writing about?

Adam



On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
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> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:41 AM
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> Subject: Re: [governance] A false consensus is broken
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> On 21 Dec 2012, at 04:47, parminder wrote:
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>> The United States’s decision to walk out of the International 
>> Telecommunication Union’s World Conference on International 
>> Telecommunications (WCIT) in Dubai along with some of its allies last 
>> week could represent a turning point in global Internet governance.
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> No one walked out.
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