[governance] Julian Assange extradition: Ecuador 'willing to co-operate' with Britain

[Adam Peake]

>Precision please: what does Ecuador have to do with violating the 
>Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Immunities?


  Do you meant the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations?

Adam



>They are dealing with an asylum application whose scope of inquiry 
>is based on discretion to grant someone protection who has a well 
>founded fear of persecution, in this case cruel and degrading 
>punishment and torture.
>
>Legally Assange's application has little to do with Ecuador and 
>Assange's /Wikileaks violation of US secrecy laws or what have you. 
>The risk of torture or like treatment is sufficient in of itself to 
>be granted asylum... something that would be LEGALLY available even 
>to those rightly (and let us be clear, also wrongly accused - as 
>some innocents are now known to be held) accused of the abominable 
>(and condemnable) attacks on the second Sept 11th held at Guantanamo 
>Bay.
>
>Now to give your input further consideration, your claims of 
>complicity (violation of American law is not violation of 
>international law - at least not yet ; ) would indict not only 
>Ecuador but every other country that accessed this information 
>(since states are the ones with international legal personality)... 
>and this is very interesting I had not even thought of these 
>ramifications until raised by you... but I am not sure that this is 
>the trajectory you will be exploring further - but I am happy to 
>surprised on this...
>
>
>
>On 2012/08/20 03:11 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>>And the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Immunity be damned
>>
>>And that would be the convention that says "The official 
>>correspondence of the mission shall be inviolable. Official 
>>correspondence means all correspondence relating to the mission and 
>>its functions."
>>
>>Hello wikileaks.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>>(they UK threated to storm foreign territory, which is what an 
>>>embassy is)? Which certainly has implications for faith in 
>>>American Exceptionalism as a basis for CIR control.
>>>
>>>So I guess the taking of American hostages in Iran at the time of 
>>>the overthrow of the American approved despot (the Shah) in the 
>>>1970s would be ok, retrospectively?
>>>
>>>Funny, he skipped bail but is willing to fulfil the claims for 
>>>questioning on terms that do not expose him to the threat of 
>>>extradition. Extradition to the US may involve treatment like 
>>>Bradley Manning has received in US prison - long periods of 
>>>solitary confinement. This kind of treatment is against the EU 
>>>Bill of Rights, the findings of the UN Special Rapporteur on 
>>>Torture and regarded as unlawful (i.e. cruel and degrading 
>>>punishment) even by the New York Bar Association.
>>>
>>>You see, if I don't like your principles on this matter, I have 
>>>others... so for me it is completely specious to start of 
>>>irrespective of extradition threat... its kinda like saying: 
>>>irrespective of the REAL threat of torture and/or cruel and 
>>>degrading punishment... which as you can surmise from my position 
>>>is a non starter . . .
>>>
>>>... and I will as always simply remain amazed at the robustness of 
>>>discussion on this list . . . which is refreshing for its candour, 
>>>of which we can all freely take part...
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2012/08/20 07:53 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>In message <502F5826.4000506 at gmail.com>, at 10:53:58 on Sat, 18 
>>>>Aug 2012, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> writes
>>>>
>>>>>The police presence, it added, had risen from two or three to 
>>>>>around 50, with officers on the embassy's fire escape and at 
>>>>>every window.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't been following the main thread so apologies if this is 
>>>>a repeat: Irrespective of any threat to extradite him, let alone 
>>>>the Wikileaks episode, Assange is a plain and simple fugitive 
>>>>from a UK court (he's skipped bail).
>>>>
>>>>The British Police would be roundly criticised if they let him 
>>>>escape through a back window in the middle of the night and make 
>>>>off across Hyde Park.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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