[governance] Julian Assange extradition: Ecuador 'willing to co-operate' with Britain

[Riaz K Tayob]

Precision please: what does Ecuador have to do with violating the Vienna 
Convention on Diplomatic Immunities? They are dealing with an asylum 
application whose scope of inquiry is based on discretion to grant 
someone protection who has a well founded fear of persecution, in this 
case cruel and degrading punishment and torture.

Legally Assange's application has little to do with Ecuador and 
Assange's /Wikileaks violation of US secrecy laws or what have you. The 
risk of torture or like treatment is sufficient in of itself to be 
granted asylum... something that would be LEGALLY available even to 
those rightly (and let us be clear, also wrongly accused - as some 
innocents are now known to be held) accused of the abominable (and 
condemnable) attacks on the second Sept 11th held at Guantanamo Bay.

Now to give your input further consideration, your claims of complicity 
(violation of American law is not violation of international law - at 
least not yet ; ) would indict not only Ecuador but every other country 
that accessed this information (since states are the ones with 
international legal personality)... and this is very interesting I had 
not even thought of these ramifications until raised by you... but I am 
not sure that this is the trajectory you will be exploring further - but 
I am happy to surprised on this...



On 2012/08/20 03:11 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>> And the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Immunity be damned
>
> And that would be the convention that says "The official 
> correspondence of the mission shall be inviolable. Official 
> correspondence means all correspondence relating to the mission and 
> its functions."
>
> Hello wikileaks.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>> (they UK threated to storm foreign territory, which is what an 
>> embassy is)? Which certainly has implications for faith in American 
>> Exceptionalism as a basis for CIR control.
>>
>> So I guess the taking of American hostages in Iran at the time of the 
>> overthrow of the American approved despot (the Shah) in the 1970s 
>> would be ok, retrospectively?
>>
>> Funny, he skipped bail but is willing to fulfil the claims for 
>> questioning on terms that do not expose him to the threat of 
>> extradition. Extradition to the US may involve treatment like Bradley 
>> Manning has received in US prison - long periods of solitary 
>> confinement. This kind of treatment is against the EU Bill of Rights, 
>> the findings of the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture and regarded as 
>> unlawful (i.e. cruel and degrading punishment) even by the New York 
>> Bar Association.
>>
>> You see, if I don't like your principles on this matter, I have 
>> others... so for me it is completely specious to start of 
>> irrespective of extradition threat... its kinda like saying: 
>> irrespective of the REAL threat of torture and/or cruel and degrading 
>> punishment... which as you can surmise from my position is a non 
>> starter . . .
>>
>> ... and I will as always simply remain amazed at the robustness of 
>> discussion on this list . . . which is refreshing for its candour, of 
>> which we can all freely take part...
>>
>>
>> On 2012/08/20 07:53 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <502F5826.4000506 at gmail.com>, at 10:53:58 on Sat, 18 Aug 
>>> 2012, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>> The police presence, it added, had risen from two or three to 
>>>> around 50, with officers on the embassy's fire escape and at every 
>>>> window.
>>>
>>> I haven't been following the main thread so apologies if this is a 
>>> repeat: Irrespective of any threat to extradite him, let alone the 
>>> Wikileaks episode, Assange is a plain and simple fugitive from a UK 
>>> court (he's skipped bail).
>>>
>>> The British Police would be roundly criticised if they let him 
>>> escape through a back window in the middle of the night and make off 
>>> across Hyde Park.
>>
>>
>>
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