[governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally
Ginger Paque
gpaque at gmail.com
Sun Aug 19 13:29:15 EDT 2012
Excellent post, Dominique. Gracias!
Ginger (Virginia) Paque
VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
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On 19 August 2012 12:25, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
> That story seems to be all about secret at the information age!
> Assange got 2 love stories. In both cases, the women invited him in her
> bed.
> The case is about what happened there. Sex by surprise? That *should stay
> secret*, as long as the women were not injured. Actually, they never
> complained for that.
>
> At the contrary, Bradley Manning and Wikileaks revealed what *should not
> be kept secret*:
> - Civilians (journalists and children) murders by US soldiers in Iraq.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/06/us-iraq-usa-journalists-idUSTRE6344FW20100406
> - Orders given to diplomates to spy UN leaders (DNA, passwords, credit
> card numbers etc.)
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un
> - And so on.
>
> Nevertheless, of course I agree with Ginger and Mawaki: crime allegations
> are displaced manipulations AND we cannot just ignore the sexual misconduct
> allegations.
>
> But at this stage of the worldwide imbroglio, it's too late for having a
> neutral trial in Sweden. Could you imagine a Swedish Court concluding: "*Much
> ado about nothing*"? So public opinion mobilization is important. We are
> the witnesses.
> And at this hour, I would like to hear the two women. I'm not sure that
> the story is still their story...
>
>
> Some strange points must not be forgotten. Just some clues for new readers
> of the case:
>
> - Feminist fighters should be very happy to see that *nowadays police
> force all around the world hunt rapers* as it's done for Assange.
> A famous feminist wrote about the case. Just search for Naomi Wolf.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html
>
> - Assange *already talked *with Swedish authorities.
> Convened because of Swedish demand, he *went spontaneously* to the London
> police.
>
> - Swedish authorities aren't clear on the case,* first closed and then
> reopened*:
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rape-investigation-into-wikileaks-chief-reopens-2068162.html
>
> - It's well established that Assange had two love stories with fans in
> Stockholm and then Enköping.
> The first with the famous Anna Ardin, a feminist fighter whose blog
> explained *how to get revenge against men*:
>
> http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7569087-meet-anna-ardin-photos-anna-ardins-7-steps-to-legal-revenge
>
> And so on. It's not the good place for further analyzing that case. But
> doubt is widely allowed.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> @+, Dominique
>
> --
> Dominique Lacroix
> Société européenne de l'Internet
> http://www.ies-france.eu
> +33 (0)6 63 24 39 14
>
> Le 19/08/12 16:11, Mawaki Chango a écrit :
>
> Completely agree with Ginger here...
> We can't pretend to ignore the elephant in the room: at this point
> there's no part of this story that can be clearly separated from
> Wikileaks - if only given all the shady zones in this imbroglio. And
> yes, it is unfortunate that the rape issue is now and then exploited
> in ways that can undermine legitimate claims. Again a lot remains
> unclear, unfortunately, due to the behavior of the Sweden's
> government.
>
> mawaki
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This may be IG related in the sense that WikiLeaks involves IG, and the
> sexual misconduct case may (I say 'may' because I simply do not have all of
> the facts) be a manipulation of the WikiLeaks case.
>
> My firmest point is that the two issues should be separated, the sexual
> misconduct case addressed, and the central case, WikiLeaks, get back in
> focus.
>
> I dislike/resent the use of women/gender/sex as a tool that undermines the
> case for legitimate cases of sexual misconduct. If Assange/Assange's lawyers
> would force the sexual misconduct issue (without going to Sweden--on video,
> webinar, whatever), it would remove this distraction from the picture, and
> force the UK to show its hand. In the meantime, we cannot just ignore the
> sexual misconduct allegations. Women and sexual misconduct charges should
> not be used as legal manipulations and distractions.
> Ginger
>
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programmewww.diplomacy.edu/ig
>
>
>
>
> On 19 August 2012 08:48, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> You know that the 5 biggest financial institutions Bank of America, Visa,
> mastercard, wester union and paypal decided to block donations to wikileaks
> reducing it in 95%? Censorship? Have here an IG issue as requested for some
> people here?
>
> Yes, but what have the 5 banks to do with Assange's alleged assaults?
>
> Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly important, but I do not see
> the connection between the issues in this thread and Internet governance.
> If you want to change the subject, fine :-)
>
> Pussy Riot more relevant, part of their "crime" being posting their
> protest on the Internet.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> you can still send donations using https://flattr.com/
>
> Carlos Vera
>
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 19/08/2012, a las 6:42, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> escribió:
>
>
> Dominique, hi.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> <dl at panamo.eu>
> wrote:
>
> Rape? Charged?
>
>
> Assange's lawyer's say accused. But the european arrest warrant the
> UK believes it must enforce says he is wanted for prosecution. I'm
> not a lawyer, not clue about the difference.
>
>
>
> 1. Assange is not (yet) charged. The judge only wants to ask him some
> questions. Telecom provide some means, indeed...
> 2. Rape? Perhaps some of us on this list, men AND women, are rapers at
> a
> Swedish sense:
>
>
> I very much hope not.
>
> Indecent assault isn't that common, is it? As you note the offense
> carries a maximum 4 year sentence. Not trivial.
>
>
>
> "Under Swedish law, there are legal gradations of the definition of
> rape.
> There is the most serious kind, involving major violence.
> But below that there is the concept of 'regular rape', still involving
> violence but not violence of the utmost horror.
> And below that there is the idea of 'unlawful coercion'. Talking
> generally,
> and not about the Assange case, this might involve putting emotional
> pressure on someone.
>
> The three categories involve prison sentences of 10, six and four
> years
> respectively.
> The lawyer for the two women who have complained against Mr Assange
> will not
> spell out the details because he says that would give too much away to
> the
> accused man. But he does indicate that it is a four-year sentence that
> Mr
> Assange could expect, indicating that he is suspected of this third,
> less
> serious category."
>
> And the great conclusion is:
>
> "The attitude towards rape in Sweden - informed by a strong sense of
> women's
> rights - means that it is more likely to be reported to police.
> Some 53 rape offences are reported per 100,000 people, the highest
> rate in
> Europe.
> The figures may reflect a higher number of actual rapes committed but
> it
> seems more likely that tough attitudes and a broader definition of the
> crime
> are more significant factors."
>
> See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652
>
> Isn't it a bit unbalanced, facing whistleblowers issue?
>
> Yes, Adam, CIA or not CIA, this case seems to me two Internet
> Governance
> issues.
> - Lawful here, unlawful there.
> - Whistleblowers right at the Digital age.
>
> How would you deal with these questions?
>
>
> Sorry, don't get it, what has Assange's situation to do with Internet
> governance, even in its broadest sense? He didn't do anything online
> or on the Internet, he is accused of assaulting two women. And those
> two people seem to be being very much overlooked at the moment.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> @+, Dominique
>
> Dominique Lacroix
> Société européenne de l'Internet
> http://www.ies-france.eu
> +33 (0)6 63 24 39 14
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 19/08/12 12:28, Fahd A. Batayneh a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net> <ginger at paque.net>
> wrote:
>
> I admire Assange. I am glad he has the courage to carry out his
> WikiLeaks
> work. I don't think he should be persecuted, or face politically
> motivated
> harassment or charge.
>
> >>> I don't think being a legitimate social hero allows him to avoid
> facing
>
> charges of rape if the are legitimate.
>
> Ginger
>
> That makes us 2 Ginger. ROCK ON!
>
> Fahd
>
>
>
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