[governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally

Carlos Vera Quintana cveraq at gmail.com
Sun Aug 19 09:59:05 EDT 2012 

> Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly important, but I do not see the connection between the issues in this thread and Internet governance.  If you want to change the subject, fine :-)


 Behind the pretended Sweden allegation is the US gov trying to Have Assange in USA for wikileaks. Assange told this is the real issue...

So alleged sexual injury is a way to put Assange in Sweden and from there in USA: bingo!

Carloa Vera

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El 19/08/2012, a las 8:18, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> escribió:

> 
> 
>> You know that the 5 biggest financial institutions Bank of America, Visa, mastercard, wester union and paypal decided to block donations to wikileaks reducing it in 95%? Censorship? Have here an IG issue as requested for some people here?
> 
> 
> Yes, but what have the 5 banks to do with Assange's alleged assaults?
> 
> Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly important, but I do not see the connection between the issues in this thread and Internet governance.  If you want to change the subject, fine :-)
> 
> Pussy Riot more relevant, part of their "crime" being posting their protest on the Internet.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
>> you can still send donations using https://flattr.com/
>> 
>> Carlos Vera
>> 
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>> El 19/08/2012, a las 6:42, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> escribió:
>> 
>>> Dominique, hi.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
>>>> Rape? Charged?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Assange's lawyer's say accused.  But the european arrest warrant the
>>> UK believes it must enforce says he is wanted for prosecution.  I'm
>>> not a lawyer, not clue about the difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 1. Assange is not (yet) charged. The judge only wants to ask him some
>>>> questions. Telecom provide some means, indeed...
>>>> 2. Rape? Perhaps some of us on this list, men AND women, are rapers at a
>>>> Swedish sense:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I very much hope not.
>>> 
>>> Indecent assault isn't that common, is it?   As you note the offense
>>> carries a maximum 4 year sentence.  Not trivial.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> "Under Swedish law, there are legal gradations of the definition of rape.
>>>> There is the most serious kind, involving major violence.
>>>> But below that there is the concept of 'regular rape', still involving
>>>> violence but not violence of the utmost horror.
>>>> And below that there is the idea of 'unlawful coercion'. Talking generally,
>>>> and not about the Assange case, this might involve putting emotional
>>>> pressure on someone.
>>>> 
>>>> The three categories involve prison sentences of 10, six and four years
>>>> respectively.
>>>> The lawyer for the two women who have complained against Mr Assange will not
>>>> spell out the details because he says that would give too much away to the
>>>> accused man. But he does indicate that it is a four-year sentence that Mr
>>>> Assange could expect, indicating that he is suspected of this third, less
>>>> serious category."
>>>> 
>>>> And the great conclusion is:
>>>> 
>>>> "The attitude towards rape in Sweden - informed by a strong sense of women's
>>>> rights - means that it is more likely to be reported to police.
>>>> Some 53 rape offences are reported per 100,000 people, the highest rate in
>>>> Europe.
>>>> The figures may reflect a higher number of actual rapes committed but it
>>>> seems more likely that tough attitudes and a broader definition of the crime
>>>> are more significant factors."
>>>> 
>>>> See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652
>>>> 
>>>> Isn't it a bit unbalanced, facing whistleblowers issue?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, Adam, CIA or not CIA, this case seems to me two Internet Governance
>>>> issues.
>>>> - Lawful here, unlawful there.
>>>> - Whistleblowers right at the Digital age.
>>>> 
>>>> How would you deal with these questions?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry, don't get it, what has Assange's situation to do with Internet
>>> governance, even in its broadest sense? He didn't do anything online
>>> or on the Internet, he is accused of assaulting two women.  And those
>>> two people seem to be being very much overlooked at the moment.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> @+, Dominique
>>>> 
>>>> Dominique Lacroix
>>>> Société européenne de l'Internet
>>>> http://www.ies-france.eu
>>>> +33 (0)6 63 24 39 14
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 19/08/12 12:28, Fahd A. Batayneh a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I admire Assange. I am glad he has the courage to carry out his WikiLeaks
>>>>> work. I don't think he should be persecuted, or face politically motivated
>>>>> harassment or charge.
>> >>> I don't think being a legitimate social hero allows him to avoid facing
>>>>> charges of rape if the are legitimate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ginger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That makes us 2 Ginger. ROCK ON!
>>>> 
>>>> Fahd
>>>> 
>>>> 
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