[governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally
Ginger Paque
gpaque at gmail.com
Sun Aug 19 09:45:47 EDT 2012
This may be IG related in the sense that WikiLeaks involves IG, and the
sexual misconduct case may (I say 'may' because I simply do not have all of
the facts) be a manipulation of the WikiLeaks case.
My firmest point is that the two issues should be separated, the sexual
misconduct case addressed, and the central case, WikiLeaks, get back in
focus.
I dislike/resent the use of women/gender/sex as a tool that undermines the
case for legitimate cases of sexual misconduct. If Assange/Assange's
lawyers would force the sexual misconduct issue (without going to
Sweden--on video, webinar, whatever), it would remove this distraction from
the picture, and force the UK to show its hand. In the meantime, we cannot
just ignore the sexual misconduct allegations. Women and sexual misconduct
charges should not be used as legal manipulations and distractions.
Ginger
Ginger (Virginia) Paque
VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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On 19 August 2012 08:48, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
>
> You know that the 5 biggest financial institutions Bank of America, Visa,
>> mastercard, wester union and paypal decided to block donations to wikileaks
>> reducing it in 95%? Censorship? Have here an IG issue as requested for some
>> people here?
>>
>
>
> Yes, but what have the 5 banks to do with Assange's alleged assaults?
>
> Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly important, but I do not see
> the connection between the issues in this thread and Internet governance.
> If you want to change the subject, fine :-)
>
> Pussy Riot more relevant, part of their "crime" being posting their
> protest on the Internet.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> you can still send donations using https://flattr.com/
>>
>> Carlos Vera
>>
>>
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>> El 19/08/2012, a las 6:42, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> escribió:
>>
>> Dominique, hi.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape? Charged?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Assange's lawyer's say accused. But the european arrest warrant the
>>> UK believes it must enforce says he is wanted for prosecution. I'm
>>> not a lawyer, not clue about the difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Assange is not (yet) charged. The judge only wants to ask him some
>>>> questions. Telecom provide some means, indeed...
>>>> 2. Rape? Perhaps some of us on this list, men AND women, are rapers at
>>>> a
>>>> Swedish sense:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I very much hope not.
>>>
>>> Indecent assault isn't that common, is it? As you note the offense
>>> carries a maximum 4 year sentence. Not trivial.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Under Swedish law, there are legal gradations of the definition of
>>>> rape.
>>>> There is the most serious kind, involving major violence.
>>>> But below that there is the concept of 'regular rape', still involving
>>>> violence but not violence of the utmost horror.
>>>> And below that there is the idea of 'unlawful coercion'. Talking
>>>> generally,
>>>> and not about the Assange case, this might involve putting emotional
>>>> pressure on someone.
>>>>
>>>> The three categories involve prison sentences of 10, six and four years
>>>> respectively.
>>>> The lawyer for the two women who have complained against Mr Assange
>>>> will not
>>>> spell out the details because he says that would give too much away to
>>>> the
>>>> accused man. But he does indicate that it is a four-year sentence that
>>>> Mr
>>>> Assange could expect, indicating that he is suspected of this third,
>>>> less
>>>> serious category."
>>>>
>>>> And the great conclusion is:
>>>>
>>>> "The attitude towards rape in Sweden - informed by a strong sense of
>>>> women's
>>>> rights - means that it is more likely to be reported to police.
>>>> Some 53 rape offences are reported per 100,000 people, the highest
>>>> rate in
>>>> Europe.
>>>> The figures may reflect a higher number of actual rapes committed but
>>>> it
>>>> seems more likely that tough attitudes and a broader definition of the
>>>> crime
>>>> are more significant factors."
>>>>
>>>> See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**world-europe-11946652<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it a bit unbalanced, facing whistleblowers issue?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Adam, CIA or not CIA, this case seems to me two Internet
>>>> Governance
>>>> issues.
>>>> - Lawful here, unlawful there.
>>>> - Whistleblowers right at the Digital age.
>>>>
>>>> How would you deal with these questions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, don't get it, what has Assange's situation to do with Internet
>>> governance, even in its broadest sense? He didn't do anything online
>>> or on the Internet, he is accused of assaulting two women. And those
>>> two people seem to be being very much overlooked at the moment.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> @+, Dominique
>>>>
>>>> Dominique Lacroix
>>>> Société européenne de l'Internet
>>>> http://www.ies-france.eu
>>>> +33 (0)6 63 24 39 14
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 19/08/12 12:28, Fahd A. Batayneh a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I admire Assange. I am glad he has the courage to carry out his
>>>>> WikiLeaks
>>>>> work. I don't think he should be persecuted, or face politically
>>>>> motivated
>>>>> harassment or charge.
>>>>>
>>>> >>> I don't think being a legitimate social hero allows him to avoid
>> facing
>>
>>> charges of rape if the are legitimate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginger
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That makes us 2 Ginger. ROCK ON!
>>>>
>>>> Fahd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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