FW: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October

michael gurstein gurstein at gmail.com
Tue Sep 27 10:44:02 EDT 2011 

Hi Irene,
 
Thanks for this and for the initiative...
 
I think the issues could be presented in an even stronger fashion... The
case could be made I think, that both direclty through voluntary/free/open
source contributions of time and skill and indirectly through public
funding,-- we (the public/citizens/civil society/publicly funded researchers
and academics etc.etc.) built the Internet and "we" thus have a right to sit
at any table discussing it's future. 
 
As I indicate in the blogpost, efforts have been made to ignore this
contribution for "technical" (and I suspect ideological) reasons but there
is no reason to accept this and every reason to resist.
 
M

-----Original Message-----
From: Irene Prevedello [mailto:irene.prevedello at agoradigitale.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:19 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Luca Nicotra
Subject: Re: FW: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October


Dear Mike,
thanks for the suggestion, it will give us some cues! 

As a first initiative we are working on a Open Letter to present to the
organizers of the e-G20. Are you interested in reading the draft and give us
some suggestion?
Please keep in mind that the contents are preliminar and that we would like
to deepen the single issues. It would be interesting, as you suggested, to
include a part focused on the economic value of not-profit initiatives and
activities on the Internet.
We are collecting support from other organizations and authoritative people,
they are as well working on the draft.
I attach the draft of the Open Letter.

Best,
Irene
Team Agorà Digitale



2011/9/26 michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>



I recently had the opportunity to attend a "technical/expert" Workshop in
part a followup to the eG8 meeting discussing "measuring the Internet
Economy"... 
 
In light of the below, my blogpost commenting on the Workshop might be of
interest and also give an indication of why among many other reasons it is
important that civil society be a part of these events and point to the
impact that the absence of CS can have both from the CS and the broader
perspective.
 
http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet
-and-why-it-matters/
"perhaps of greatest significance from the perspective of Civil Society and
of communities is the overall absence of measurement and thus inclusion in
the economic accounting of the value of the contributions provided to,
through and on the Internet of various voluntary and not-for-profit
initiatives and activities"
 
Mike
 
 
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From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf
Of Jeremy Malcolm
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:34 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October


Important news of a follow-up to the e-G8 meeting in conjunction with next
month's G20.


Begin forwarded message:


From: Walter van Holst <walter.van.holst at xs4all.nl>

Subject: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October

Date: 26 September 2011 4:52:34 PM GMT+03:00

To: <edri-members at edri.org>

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: e-G20 in October
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200
From: Irene Prevedello <irene.prevedello at agoradigitale.org>
To: board at edri.org
Cc: Luca Nicotra <nicotra at agoradigitale.org>

Dear EDRi,

the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily turn out
into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was that WE
were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE were
kept off the closed court.

The 21th of October there is going to be another e-G20 in Paris, and
again there is the concrete risk that very important decisions will be
taken without us been involved.

We have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been excluded again.


The counter-conference organized in May by "La Quadrature du Net" is,
in our opinion, a good starting point for a broader collaboration
between the organizations representing the civil society.

Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society shouldn't be
left in the audience, on the contrary it should be represented at the
negotiating table and perform an active role. In order to do so we
should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions that put pressure
on the invited with the aim of been included in this important
discussion.

As has happened in May, this Forum has not been advertized: there is in
fact the tendency to fence the debate. However, we were able to have
access to some information about the program. You will find the
information at the end of the mail.  .

It is clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room for an open
discussion and participation: all the work, as usual, is probably been
done in these days in a non-transparent environment between governments
and big stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should capitalize on this
opportunity, in the light of the seeming will to make the e-G20 a
regular meeting.

For now, our aim is double.

First, bring the subject to the public attention, by organizing
initiatives and sharing information: it's important to mobilize the net
and the ordinary people, because only by involving different players and
individuals we can became an interlocutor with which the invited must
dialogue.

Second, work on some requests that push for a greater transparency
before and after the official e-G20 Forums. Consequently, we are asking
for a bigger involvement of the representatives of the civil society,
that should be invited not only at the official Forums, but at the
preparation meetings as well.

Considering that the event will receive the media attention, we also
believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a demonstration
to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize public awareness.

We have some ideas about initiatives that can be useful in sensitizing
the public opinion. We are proposing a project that aims to be a
productive open collaboration between different organizations that share
the belief in the net neutrality and freedom.

We hope that You find our project interesting and decide to take part
of it. Sharing our common experiences can help us build an effective
network that can achieve important results.

Waiting for your response and ideas,

Cordially,

Irene Prevedello

Agorà Digitale Team

Program e-G8 (21th October 2011)

There is going to be a plenary session discussing on:

* Innovation: networks’ friend or foe?
* How to combine the Internet business model and respect for privacy?
* All against digital divides: the Internet for all.

Then, a restricted session between Ministers and some entrepreneurs
focusing on the topic: “What agenda for network security?” will be
held.

Finally, there will be a Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic:
 “The Public Space of the 21st century: does the Internet safeguard
political democracy?”.

Ministers Invited

* Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna Lutchmana PADAYACHIE, ministre des
communications
* Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER, Vice-chancelier, ministre de l’économie
et de la technologie
* Australie: Stephen CONROY, ministre des communications, du haut débit
et de l’économie numérique
* Brésil: Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des communications
* Canada: Christian PARADIS, ministre de l’industrie
* Commission européenne: Neelie KROES, Vice-présidente, commissaire
chargée de l’agenda numérique
* Corée du Sud: See Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne
pour les communications
* Etats-Unis: Lawrence STRICKLING, secrétaire adjoint au commerce,
administrateur de la National Telecommunications and Information
Administration (NTIA)
* Finlande: Krista KIURU, ministre du logement et des communications
* France: Eric BESSON, ministre chargé de l’industrie, de l’énergie
et de l’économie numérique
* Inde: Sam PITRODA, conseiller du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation
et les technologies de l’information
* Italie: Paolo ROMANI, ministre du développement économique
* Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA, ministre des affaires intérieures et des
communications
* Kenya: Samuel POGHISIO, ministre de l’information et des
communications
* Maroc: Ahmed CHAMI, ministre de l’industrie, du commerce et des
nouvelles technologies
* Mexique: Dionisio PEREZ-JACOME, ministre des communications et des
transports
* Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY, ministre de la culture, des communications et
des industries créatives
* Russie: Igor SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias
* Suède: Anna-Karin HATT, ministre de la technologie de l’information
et des affaires régionales






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