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<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Hi
Irene,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Thanks
for this and for the initiative...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I
think the issues could be presented in an even stronger fashion... The case
could be made I think, that both direclty through voluntary/free/open source
contributions of time and skill and indirectly through public funding,-- we (the
public/citizens/civil society/publicly funded researchers and academics
etc.etc.) built the Internet and "we" thus have a right to sit at any table
discussing it's future. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>As I
indicate in the blogpost, efforts have been made to ignore this contribution for
"technical" (and I suspect ideological) reasons but there is no reason to accept
this and every reason to resist.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=043283414-27092011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Irene Prevedello
[mailto:irene.prevedello@agoradigitale.org] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
September 27, 2011 4:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> michael gurstein<BR><B>Cc:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Luca Nicotra<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: FW:
[governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in
October<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dear Mike,<BR>thanks for the suggestion, it will
give us some cues! <BR><BR>As a first initiative we are working on a Open
Letter to present to the organizers of the e-G20. Are you interested in
reading the draft and give us some suggestion?<BR>Please keep in mind that the
contents are preliminar and that we would like to deepen the single issues. It
would be interesting, as you suggested, to include a part focused on the
economic value of not-profit initiatives and activities on the Internet.<BR>We
are collecting support from other organizations and authoritative people, they
are as well working on the draft.<BR>I attach the draft of the Open
Letter.<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Irene<BR>Team Agorà Digitale<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><BR>2011/9/26 michael gurstein <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN>I recently had the
opportunity to attend a "technical/expert" Workshop in part a followup to
the eG8 meeting discussing "measuring the Internet Economy"...
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN>In light of the below, my
blogpost commenting on the Workshop might be of interest and also give an
indication of why among many other reasons it is important that civil
society be a part of these events and point to the impact that the absence
of CS can have both from the CS and the broader
perspective.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN><A
href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet-and-why-it-matters/"
target=_blank>http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet-and-why-it-matters/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN>"perhaps of greatest
significance from the perspective of Civil Society and of communities is the
overall absence of measurement and thus inclusion in the economic accounting
of the value of the contributions provided to, through and on the Internet
of various voluntary and not-for-profit initiatives and
activities"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN>Mike</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us align=left><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeremy
Malcolm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 26, 2011 7:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [governance]
Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Important news
of a follow-up to the e-G8 meeting in conjunction with next month's G20.<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>From:
</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">Walter van Holst
<<A href="mailto:walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl"
target=_blank>walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Subject:
</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>[EDRi-members] Fwd:
e-G20 in October</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Date:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">26
September 2011 4:52:34 PM GMT+03:00<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>To:
</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><<A
href="mailto:edri-members@edri.org"
target=_blank>edri-members@edri.org</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Reply-To:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><A
href="mailto:edri-members@mailman.edri.org"
target=_blank>edri-members@mailman.edri.org</A><BR></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR><BR>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: e-G20 in
October<BR>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200<BR>From: Irene Prevedello
<<A href="mailto:irene.prevedello@agoradigitale.org"
target=_blank>irene.prevedello@agoradigitale.org</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:board@edri.org" target=_blank>board@edri.org</A><BR>Cc: Luca
Nicotra <<A href="mailto:nicotra@agoradigitale.org"
target=_blank>nicotra@agoradigitale.org</A>><BR><BR>Dear
EDRi,<BR><BR>the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily
turn out<BR>into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was
that WE<BR>were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE
were<BR>kept off the closed court.<BR><BR>The 21th of October there is
going to be another e-G20 in Paris, and<BR>again there is the concrete
risk that very important decisions will be<BR>taken without us been
involved.<BR><BR>We have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been
excluded again.<BR><BR><BR>The counter-conference organized in May by "La
Quadrature du Net" is,<BR>in our opinion, a good starting point for a
broader collaboration<BR>between the organizations representing the civil
society.<BR><BR>Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society
shouldn't be<BR>left in the audience, on the contrary it should be
represented at the<BR>negotiating table and perform an active role. In
order to do so we<BR>should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions
that put pressure<BR>on the invited with the aim of been included in this
important<BR>discussion.<BR><BR>As has happened in May, this Forum has not
been advertized: there is in<BR>fact the tendency to fence the debate.
However, we were able to have<BR>access to some information about the
program. You will find the<BR>information at the end of the mail.
.<BR><BR>It is clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room
for an open<BR>discussion and participation: all the work, as usual, is
probably been<BR>done in these days in a non-transparent environment
between governments<BR>and big stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should
capitalize on this<BR>opportunity, in the light of the seeming will to
make the e-G20 a<BR>regular meeting.<BR><BR>For now, our aim is
double.<BR><BR>First, bring the subject to the public attention, by
organizing<BR>initiatives and sharing information: it's important to
mobilize the net<BR>and the ordinary people, because only by involving
different players and<BR>individuals we can became an interlocutor with
which the invited must<BR>dialogue.<BR><BR>Second, work on some requests
that push for a greater transparency<BR>before and after the official
e-G20 Forums. Consequently, we are asking<BR>for a bigger involvement of
the representatives of the civil society,<BR>that should be invited not
only at the official Forums, but at the<BR>preparation meetings as
well.<BR><BR>Considering that the event will receive the media attention,
we also<BR>believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a
demonstration<BR>to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize
public awareness.<BR><BR>We have some ideas about initiatives that can be
useful in sensitizing<BR>the public opinion. We are proposing a project
that aims to be a<BR>productive open collaboration between different
organizations that share<BR>the belief in the net neutrality and
freedom.<BR><BR>We hope that You find our project interesting and decide
to take part<BR>of it. Sharing our common experiences can help us build an
effective<BR>network that can achieve important results.<BR><BR>Waiting
for your response and ideas,<BR><BR>Cordially,<BR><BR>Irene
Prevedello<BR><BR>Agorà Digitale Team<BR><BR>Program e-G8 (21th October
2011)<BR><BR>There is going to be a plenary session discussing
on:<BR><BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Innovation:
networks’ friend or foe?<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* How to combine the Internet
business model and respect for privacy?<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* All against digital divides:
the Internet for all.<BR><BR>Then, a restricted session between Ministers
and some entrepreneurs<BR>focusing on the topic: “What agenda for network
security?” will be<BR>held.<BR><BR>Finally, there will be a
Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic:<BR> “The Public Space of
the 21st century: does the Internet safeguard<BR>political
democracy?”.<BR><BR>Ministers Invited<BR><BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna
Lutchmana PADAYACHIE, ministre des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER,
Vice-chancelier, ministre de l’économie<BR>et de la technologie<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Australie: Stephen CONROY,
ministre des communications, du haut débit<BR>et de l’économie
numérique<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Brésil:
Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Canada: Christian PARADIS,
ministre de l’industrie<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Commission européenne: Neelie
KROES, Vice-présidente, commissaire<BR>chargée de l’agenda
numérique<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Corée du
Sud: See Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne<BR>pour les
communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Etats-Unis: Lawrence
STRICKLING, secrétaire adjoint au commerce,<BR>administrateur de la
National Telecommunications and Information<BR>Administration
(NTIA)<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Finlande:
Krista KIURU, ministre du logement et des communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* France: Eric BESSON, ministre
chargé de l’industrie, de l’énergie<BR>et de l’économie numérique<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Inde: Sam PITRODA, conseiller
du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation<BR>et les technologies de
l’information<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Italie:
Paolo ROMANI, ministre du développement économique<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA,
ministre des affaires intérieures et des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Kenya: Samuel POGHISIO,
ministre de l’information et des<BR>communications<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Maroc: Ahmed CHAMI, ministre
de l’industrie, du commerce et des<BR>nouvelles technologies<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Mexique: Dionisio
PEREZ-JACOME, ministre des communications et des<BR>transports<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY,
ministre de la culture, des communications et<BR>des industries
créatives<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Russie:
Igor SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias<BR><SPAN
style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>* Suède: Anna-Karin HATT,
ministre de la technologie de l’information<BR>et des affaires
régionales<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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