[governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal

[Fouad Bajwa]

In all this discussion, I was wondering that didn't any of the CS
groups like APC or NIC.br participate in the IBSA activity or was any
statement issued from that end in lieu of these IBSA statements?

Another small thing that comes to mind is that despite this silo
treatment of IG related issues during IBSA, can govts really have
different positions on the same issue in so different global forums?

-- FoodaByte?

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> Dear Katitza
>
> On Sunday 18 September 2011 10:56 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
>
> Hi Parminder,
>
> We have shout loudly when we do not agree with issues at the OECD. Here is a
> summary of other post other NGOs have written about.
> http://csisac.org/2011/06/csisac_declines_to_support_oec.php
>
> "We'' havent shouted at their *process* of, or the very effort at,
> international policy making in the area of IG.... That 'process' issue is
> the one under discussion, not the selective disagreements with some
> substantive issues. I hope the distinction appears clear.
>
> With regard to a possible UN role, we are still at establishing a 'process'.
> The question of substantive issues havent arisen. Though the IBSA statement
> of Dec 2011 does identify the following kinds of issues. To quote
>
>        " Apart from technical aspects, the discussion on Internet governance
> has several critical public policy implications that necessitate the
> involvement of governments. These include among others, issues such as
> stability of the internet; interoperability; accessibility and openness
> (costs and human rights); network neutrality; access to knowledge and the
> balanced approach between openess, security and privacy aspects of the
> Internet; cybersecurity and the ICTs (as they relate to the Internet) and
> development nexus. A central issue in Internet governance is the management
> of Critical Internet Resources. "
>
> (Remember, network neutrality and access to knowledge fail to make it to
> OECD's policy principle documents. So, yes, there will be good points and
> bad points in each forum and civil society will have to take positions
> accordingly. Democratic nature of the forum itself is however a meta, and
> prior, point, and is of course independently very important.)
>
> However, as and when a democratic UN system does begin to take note of
> substantive international Internet-related public policy issues, I have do
> doubt that some such issues and positions will come up on which civil
> society will have to fight hard against, do all kinds of protests, walk
> outs, campaigns and other forms of advocacy and direct action,etc, one
> example of which in the OECD context you speak about above. Hope this
> clarifies.
>
> Parminder
>
>
>
> Copyright is also one of the issues at stake in this overall mess. :)
>
> Best,
>
> Katitza
> On 9/18/11 10:22 AM, Roland Perry wrote:
>
> In message <4E762233.9020601 at itforchange.net>, at 22:24:11 on Sun, 18 Sep
> 2011, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> writes
>
> On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes out
> with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it first at
> the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and extra
> territorial IP enforcement regime)
>
> Actually, OECD had a workshop on that exact topic (if you mean the Liability
> of Intermediaries) at IGF last year. And of course civil society has their
> own representation at the table (CSISAC), even if they didn't agree with the
> communique issued by OECD earlier this year.
>
>
>
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