[governance] IGC on Facebook?
Marilia Maciel
mariliamaciel at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 13:37:48 EDT 2011
I think substantive discussions should continue to take place in IGC list,
as always.
Facebook should be a space to showcase our activities and engage with new
people. A platform for outreach efforts.
Best
Marília
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:54 PM, shaila mistry <shailam at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeremy and Izumi and everyone
> I have no objection to using FB for education and exposure to the work of
> IGF. However, perhaps we need to use a different platform, maybe a group on
> skype or google or even a closed group on FB so that there can be more
> comfortable debate amongst ourselves. Much of what we say is is within the
> context of our own involvement with IGF and within past history and
> relationships with one another. Sometimes statements made in haste within
> this context may be misunderstood by the wider community. Also we all like
> the right to be forgotten. I don't think FB will let us do that ! Like all
> of you I use FB extensively and know some of what it does with our info :)
> cheers
> Shaila
>
> *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !*
> *..................... the renaissance of composure !
> *
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Izumi AIZU' <iza at anr.org>
> *Cc:* cveraq at gmail.com; 'Carlos A. Afonso' <ca at cafonso.ca>; 'Norbert
> Bollow' <nb at bollow.ch>; imran at igfpak.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook?
>
> Dear Izumi Aizu,
> Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on
> experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators.
> However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a
> serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full
> powers.
>
> I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and dependencies for
> the
> member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group.
>
> Thanking you and Best
>
> Imran Ahmad Shah
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Izumi AIZU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM
> To: ias_pk at yahoo.com
> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert
> Bollow; imran at igfpak.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?
>
> Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised.
>
> 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>
>
> >
> > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have
> selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side).
> >
> >
> >
> > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option
> regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is
> one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only
> members can see the wall, discussion board and photos.
> >
>
> I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can
> see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem.
>
> >
> > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my
> concern are as follows.
>
> I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I
> created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one.
>
> >
> > 1. Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS
> Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments
> or
> to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the
> Facebook
> and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the
> coordinators’
> approval).
>
> You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already
> there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not
> be
> able to see the content of the group.
> And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can
> invite and add any other friends.
>
>
> > 2. Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the
> Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the
> charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the
> facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it
> will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the
> facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and
> conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most
> probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook
> network or at least through their native or primary email address to
> protect
> their data, contact and/or other information.
>
> ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for
> dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up
> for
> Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether
> we
> need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the
> use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal
> body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach.
>
> And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our
> own
> social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again
> depends on what exactly we want to achieve.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member
> like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed
> to
> publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but
> not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking
> site.
> >
>
> Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking.
>
> > 4. According to review, current voting and comments in favor of
> facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information
> sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above
> mentioned item No.3 only.
>
> OK.
>
> My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using
> FB
> group as experimental.
> There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an
> option.
> However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at
> Nairobi, before making any consensus call.
>
> >
> >
> > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or
> publishing facebook close group.
>
> Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just
> experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you
> all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please
> comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus.
>
> I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for
> the
> experimentation.
> But I may be wrong ;-)
>
> izumi
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