I think substantive discussions should continue to take place in IGC list, as always.<div>Facebook should be a space to showcase our activities and engage with new people. A platform for outreach efforts.</div><div>Best</div>
<div>Marília<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:54 PM, shaila mistry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shailam@yahoo.com">shailam@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi Jeremy and Izumi and everyone</span></div><div><span> I have no objection to using FB for education and exposure to the work of IGF. However, perhaps we need to use a different platform, maybe a group on skype or google or even a closed group on FB so that there can be more comfortable debate amongst ourselves. Much of what we say is is within the context of our own involvement with IGF and within past history and relationships with one another. Sometimes statements made in haste within this context may be misunderstood by the wider community. Also we all like the right to be forgotten. I don't think FB will let us do that ! Like all of you I use FB extensively and know some of what it does with our info :)<br>
</span></div><div><span>cheers</span></div><div><span> Shaila
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;color:purple">The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !</span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;color:purple">..................... the renaissance of composure !<br>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; 'Izumi AIZU' <<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org" target="_blank">iza@anr.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com" target="_blank">cveraq@gmail.com</a>; 'Carlos A. Afonso' <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>; 'Norbert Bollow' <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>>; <a href="mailto:imran@igfpak.org" target="_blank">imran@igfpak.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:02 AM</div><div class="im"><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook?<br></div></font><div>
<div></div><div class="h5"><br>Dear Izumi Aizu, <br>Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on<br>experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators.<br>However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a<br>
serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full<br>powers.<br><br>I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and
dependencies for the<br>member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group.<br><br>Thanking you and Best <br><br>Imran Ahmad Shah<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
Of Izumi AIZU<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; <a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com" target="_blank">cveraq@gmail.com</a>; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert<br>
Bollow; <a href="mailto:imran@igfpak.org" target="_blank">imran@igfpak.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [governance] IGC
on Facebook?<br><br>Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised.<br><br>2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>><br><br>><br>> While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have<br>
selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side).<br>><br>><br>><br>> When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option<br>regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is<br>
one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only<br>members can see the wall, discussion board and photos.<br>><br><br>I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can<br>
see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem.<br><br>><br>> As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my<br>concern are as
follows.<br><br>I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I<br>created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one.<br><br>><br>> 1. Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS<br>
Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or<br>to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook<br>and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’<br>
approval).<br><br>You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already<br>there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be<br>able to see the content of the group.<br>And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can<br>
invite and add any other friends.<br><br><br>> 2. Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up
the<br>Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the<br>charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the<br>facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it<br>
will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the<br>facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and<br>conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most<br>probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook<br>
network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect<br>their data, contact and/or other information.<br><br>ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for<br>dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for<br>
Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether we<br>need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose
and define the<br>use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal<br>body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach.<br><br>And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our own<br>
social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again<br>depends on what exactly we want to achieve.<br>><br>><br>><br>> 3. Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member<br>
like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to<br>publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but<br>not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking<br>
site.<br>><br><br>Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking.<br><br>> 4. According to review, current voting and comments in favor of<br>facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress
information<br>sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above<br>mentioned item No.3 only.<br><br>OK.<br><br>My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using FB<br>group as experimental.<br>
There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an<br>option.<br>However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at<br>Nairobi, before making any consensus call.<br>
<br>><br>><br>> I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or<br>publishing facebook close group.<br><br>Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just<br>experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you<br>
all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please<br>comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus.<br><br>I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for
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