AW: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Sat Nov 5 07:17:48 EDT 2011

Hi, 
>Although the broad outline of this issue is by now fairly clear, before writing a IGC letter, someone would have to do some fairly thorough research to ascertain the actual scope of the problem, particularly among the ccTLD "Fast Track" IDN domains. 

I agree with your thoughts about the requirement to study and list down the scope of the problem, and the possible solutions. 

However, I would like to include that .. IGC letter should be drafted in global prospects, and the recommended solution should include the guidance to resolve the forthcoming similar conflicts in favor of IDN TLDs (ccTLD/gTLD) applicants.

>Also, since the principals are governments, some may welcome such support; others may feel that they can look after themselves ...

As you mentioned that the governments are principal applicants for IDN ccTLDs, there are possibilities that they may have different path and opinion comparing to the recommendations of IGC letter. However, we should support the Internet Community inclusive .bg in policy development process. If the Govt. representatives from Bulgaria (might be the deputy Minister), could be engaged in discussion, that would be helpful for alignment of current and future progress.

Thanks

Imran Ahmed Shah 

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:55 PKT CW Mail wrote:>Good morning:>> Although the broad outline of this issue is by now fairly clear, before writing a IGC letter, someone would have to do some fairly thorough research to ascertain the actual scope of the problem, particularly among the ccTLD "Fast Track" IDN domains. Also, since the principals are governments, some may welcome such support; others may feel that they can look after themselves ...>>Just a thought,>>CW>>>>On 05 Nov 2011, at 10:19, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:>>> I would support such a letter. However it goes beyond the .bg case. My impression is that the existing (and proposed) ICANN mechanisms to deal with "confusingly similar" in TLD strings (in particular in the new gTLD program) are too weak and do probably have not the needed expertise. With other words, the IGC letter should include also the proposal to enhance the mechanisms to deal with such potential conflicts.>> >> Here is a another
 example how confusion can grow: A consotrium of people for Russia and Ukraine want to go under the new gTLD porgramm for .pyc on cyrillic. All three characters are similar the ASCII characters. What to do with a .pyc in Latin?>> >> Wolfgang>> >> ________________________________>> >> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Ian Peter>> Gesendet: Sa 05.11.2011 05:07>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria>> Betreff: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?>> >> >> >> Avri wrote:>> >>> Well there is a new Board now, with a new chair.>>> All they need to do is recognize the mistake and tell the staff to fix it.>>> Takes a little courage, but a lot of people on that Board have courage.>> >> Perhaps a carefully drafted letter from this Caucus would be useful in this>> regard?>> >> >> >> >>> From: Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>>>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>>>> Date: Fri, 4
 Nov 2011 21:58:57 -0400>>> To: IGC <governance at lists.cpsr.org>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to>>> other Latin ccTLDs?>>> >>> Well there is a new Board now, with a new chair.>>> All they need to do is recognize the mistake and tell the staff to fix it.>>> Takes a little courage, but a lot of people on that Board have courage.>>> >>> avri>>> >>> On 4 Nov 2011, at 03:16, Daniel Kalchev wrote:>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03.11.11 18:31, Paul Lehto wrote:>>>>> It would seem that there either is, or should be, a process to "call the>>>>> question" as they say in parliamentary procedure.  If not, a motion can be>>>>> made for a decision, or a letter sent citing undue delay and calling for a>>>>> decision (with or without additional clarifying expertise appended to it). A>>>>> person familiar with whatever exists in terms of procedure can recommend the>>>>> best format or vehicle for forcing a decision.>>>>> >>>> >>>>
 There is no formal process to question the outcome of the IDN Fast Track>>>> applications. By definition, the only possible communication is between ICANN>>>> "staff" (whatever that means) and the original applicant. Ironically, even>>>> that country's Government does not have formal way to communicate with ICANN>>>> on the matter.>>>> >>>> Nevertheless, we are exploring every available possibility for some 18 months>>>> now, to understand why this situation continues to persist. ICANN staff are>>>> very wary of any such discussions and I perfectly understand their position.>>>> More so, that the principal that handled this case, Tina Dam, is no longer>>>> with ICANN.>>>> My understanding is that ICANN now recognizes they made a mistake. But they>>>> not only made the mistake to accept blindli this "expert opinion". They also>>>> made the mistake to make several statements already to the effect that "this>>>> is it, accept it or go away". Therefore, the
 problem at the moment is how>>>> ICANN admits their mistake and how they go out of the rising political>>>> problem.>>>> I have made many proposals on how to address this, but this has been slow>>>> process.. Nobody has given up anyway and it now seems inevitable things will>>>> go on a more global and more politicized forums.>>>> >>>> Daniel>>>> ____________________________________________________________>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>>>>   governance at lists.cpsr.org>>>> To be removed from the list, visit:>>>>   http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see:>>>>   http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>>>>   http://www.igcaucus.org/>>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________>>> You received this message as a
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