[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

[nhklein]

While I appreciate that we moved from the ophthalmologic discussion on - 
what is confusingly similar? -  I still feel very much with the 
Bulgarian applicants and their frustration, having followed the 
discussion since the beginning:

They have been locked into a kind of "closed circuit" situation: those 
who considered the Bulgarian proposal to be confusingly similar were the 
same ones to whom the Bulgarian applicants could talk - and these 
experts did not display much sense (as I do not see any signs of it) for 
the fact that this is an application properly based in the selfhood of a 
linguistic-script community with a history of many centuries - apart 
from the fact that many voices using "common sense" did not agree with 
the "expert" group's opinion.

But as Adam Peake quoted, the discussion during a recent ICANN meeting 
did not open any exit from the dilemma, with the following casual remarks:

= = = =
 >> ROD BECKSTROM:  Thank you for the question.  We'd be happy to have 
discussions with you privately.  We don't have public discussions about 
IDN fast track applications.  Thank you.
= = = =

When the "rules" do not provide a satisfying solution and the applicant 
feels being handled unjustly, there is only one way: that a sufficiently 
concerned group of people take the initiative to change the "rules" - 
that is to propose to the ICANN board to institute an open appeal 
process, where not only ophthalmologic questions are discussed, but also 
the more fundamental problem: whether a technical group appointed by 
ICANN can override arguments of a fundamental nature - like that the 
people of a script community have an appropriate weight with their own 
arguments rooted in their linguistic and script tradition.

Norbert Klein

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On 11/03/2011 11:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com 
> <mailto:lehto.paul at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg
>     <mailto:daniel at digsys.bg>> wrote:
>
>
>         Problem is, there is no decision, by anyone, on this subject.
>         There is only this 'expert' opinion about confusability,
>         floating around.
>
>         If there was a decision, there would already be appeal or
>         other process to challenge it. There is, an year and a half
>         already, social engineering effort to convince Bulgaria to
>         withdraw it's request for .бг.
>
>
>     If there has been no denial to appeal from, only talk against it,
>     there's been no denial and no decision.  On the positive side, in
>     nearly all instances, probabilities of winning on appeal are lower
>     than the probabilities of winning in an original hearing or trial
>     or decision.
>
> I agree. The rationale that may be attributed to the "denial" can be 
> found in this blog: 
> http://blog.icann.org/2010/03/clearing-the-confusion-fast-track/
>
>     It would seem that there either is, or should be, a process to
>     "call the question" as they say in parliamentary procedure.  If
>     not, a motion can be made for a decision, or a letter sent citing
>     undue delay and calling for a decision (with or without additional
>     clarifying expertise appended to it). A person familiar with
>     whatever exists in terms of procedure can recommend the best
>     format or vehicle for forcing a decision.
>
>     If indeed there is no rule or even informal precedent at all in
>     this area, then "just do it" anyway.  There are all kinds of
>     things respected by everyone in the area of "common sense" that
>     have no rule or precedent to support them.  One example are
>     principles of logic: they remain fully applicable to ICANN absent
>     a formal ICANN rule or ruling prohibiting the application of logic
>     in a given set of instances that somehow applies to this issue.  
>     (Etc....)
>
>     -- 
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Norbert Klein
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Phnom Penh / Cambodia


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