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While I appreciate that we moved from the ophthalmologic discussion
on - what is confusingly similar? - I still feel very much with the
Bulgarian applicants and their frustration, having followed the
discussion since the beginning:<br>
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They have been locked into a kind of "closed circuit" situation:
those who considered the Bulgarian proposal to be confusingly
similar were the same ones to whom the Bulgarian applicants could
talk - and these experts did not display much sense (as I do not see
any signs of it) for the fact that this is an application properly
based in the selfhood of a linguistic-script community with a
history of many centuries - apart from the fact that many voices
using "common sense" did not agree with the "expert" group's
opinion.<br>
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But as Adam Peake quoted, the discussion during a recent ICANN
meeting did not open any exit from the dilemma, with the following
casual remarks:<br>
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>> ROD BECKSTROM: Thank you for the question. We'd be happy
to have discussions with you privately. We don't have public
discussions about IDN fast track applications. Thank you.<br>
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When the "rules" do not provide a satisfying solution and the
applicant feels being handled unjustly, there is only one way: that
a sufficiently concerned group of people take the initiative to
change the "rules" - that is to propose to the ICANN board to
institute an open appeal process, where not only ophthalmologic
questions are discussed, but also the more fundamental problem:
whether a technical group appointed by ICANN can override arguments
of a fundamental nature - like that the people of a script community
have an appropriate weight with their own arguments rooted in their
linguistic and script tradition.<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
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On 11/03/2011 11:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJwbTiBZ9cYs0Jyv0mjKarZj44EiKuZ0Zv7giwTiL-h85N7bfg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Paul
Lehto <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Daniel
Kalchev <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:daniel@digsys.bg" target="_blank">daniel@digsys.bg</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Problem is, there is no decision, by anyone, on this
subject. There is only this 'expert' opinion about
confusability, floating around.<br>
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If there was a decision, there would already be appeal
or other process to challenge it. There is, an year and
a half already, social engineering effort to convince
Bulgaria to withdraw it's request for .бг.</blockquote>
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If there has been no denial to appeal from, only talk
against it, there's been no denial and no decision. On
the positive side, in nearly all instances, probabilities
of winning on appeal are lower than the probabilities of
winning in an original hearing or trial or decision. <br>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000099">I agree. The
rationale that may be attributed to the "denial" can be
found in this blog: </font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blog.icann.org/2010/03/clearing-the-confusion-fast-track/">http://blog.icann.org/2010/03/clearing-the-confusion-fast-track/</a> </div>
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<div>It would seem that there either is, or should be, a
process to "call the question" as they say in
parliamentary procedure. If not, a motion can be made for
a decision, or a letter sent citing undue delay and
calling for a decision (with or without additional
clarifying expertise appended to it). A person familiar
with whatever exists in terms of procedure can recommend
the best format or vehicle for forcing a decision. <br>
<br>
If indeed there is no rule or even informal precedent at
all in this area, then "just do it" anyway. There are all
kinds of things respected by everyone in the area of
"common sense" that have no rule or precedent to support
them. One example are principles of logic: they remain
fully applicable to ICANN absent a formal ICANN rule or
ruling prohibiting the application of logic in a given set
of instances that somehow applies to this issue.
(Etc....) <br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
A while ago, I started a new blog:
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/">http://www.thinking21.org/</a>
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
Norbert Klein
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
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