And G20? Re: [governance] Internet G8 meeting

Lee W McKnight lmcknigh at syr.edu
Thu May 12 08:55:14 EDT 2011 

I agree with Divina.

An eG20 may not be scheduled for November already; but so what.

In general, re G8 vs G20 vs UN; obviously UN is most inclusive.  

But G20 does include ~66% global population, so in general it is far better for IGC to focus some energy on than G8. 

But that is a next step.

Lee
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To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria
Subject: Re: And G20? Re: [governance] Internet G8 meeting

Hello

To me it seems we have to take a step at a time. The E-G8 starts soon, it
probably will pave the way for an E-G20... If we let the precedent happen
without protest, it will be harder to argue later for entry in E-G20.

divina

Le 11/05/11 14:36, « Avri Doria » <avri at ella.com> a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> I am not sure I understand the suggestion.  Is that that we suggest that they
> not have a eG8 but have an 'eG20' instead?
>
> As far as I understand the eG8 is already planned and the some
> people/organizations already have their invitations.  We want invitations for
> civil society becasue we want a seat at any table where these issues are being
> discussed on a global basis.
>
> The issue of G8 versus G20 would be a different one and one that at least for
> the moment is a bit late in relations to this event.
>
> Of course if there is a 'eG20', we should have argue for a seat at that table.
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On 11 May 2011, at 05:24, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>
>> Despite being more inclusive in terms of geopolitical representation, I
>> believe G20 does not fulfill the need to the kind of discussions we are
>> advocating in our statement: open to all countries on equal footing and
>> genuinely multistakeholder.  But it would make sense if countries excluded
>> from the debate in the G8 use the possibility to take the debate to G20 as a
>> way of political pressure.
>>
>> Marília
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Meryem Marzouki <meryem at marzouki.info>
>> wrote:
>> And why not the G20? Just curious about the arguments.
>> Meryem
>>
>> Le 11 mai 2011 à 11:56, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it is too late to change the statement since the voting has started.
>>>
>>> I have voted already but would want to withdraw my support for the statement
>>> if we would change it and now suggest that the G20 is our preferred group to
>>> address Internet policies.
>>>
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>> On 11.05.2011 11:38, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I'm jumping in even later than Bill!
>>>>
>>>> I think the statement is OK w.r.t. Bill's comment, precisely because, as
>>>> Jeremy pointed, it asks for the eG8, and not the G8 itself, to be open
>>>> to other stakeholders. That doesn't contradict the fact that the G8 will
>>>> probably adopt at least some kind of declaration, on the basis of the
>>>> eG8 conclusions.
>>>>
>>>> But I would like to suggest an addition, which I think wouldn't
>>>> radically change the statement and is in line with IGC positions so far.
>>>> This year and under the French presidency, there's not only the G8
>>>> Summit (26-27 May in Dauville) but also the G20 Summit (3-4 November in
>>>> Cannes). It's particularly noticeable that the e-thing is held under the
>>>> G8 and not the G20.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we can add a sentence (related to our statement that " policies
>>>> framed together by the most powerful nations, quite likely, will become
>>>> the default global norm", 5th para) stating that Internet issues should
>>>> have been addressed by the G20 rather than the G8. I think that, in
>>>> addition, this would certainly be backed by some of the governments from
>>>> the 12 excluded countries (not to mention those that are not even part
>>>> of G20). If there are no objection, I'm confident that Jeremy and Izumi
>>>> could draft a good sentence to express this point.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the website of the French presidency of G8-G20 is at:
>>>> http://www.g20-g8.com, and there's an English version available.
>>>>
>>>> Finally one question: will the statement be submitted to NGO signatures
>>>> (I mean especially outsite the IGC)?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Meryem
>>>>
>>>> Le 11 mai 2011 à 10:39, William Drake a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed eG8 will not be a negotiating forum, any more than the
>>>>>> IGF. In that respect, it is nothing like the G8 meetings proper. So I
>>>>>> don't see that there is an inconsistency here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a different impression based on the side events of past 68
>>>>> summits, For example the Okinawa summit released the World Ec Forum's
>>>>> report and recs on the global digital divide (which I wrote) and the
>>>>> main meeting endorsed their thrust and promised cash (which generally
>>>>> failed to materialize). Other summits have made similarly declarations
>>>>> on cybersecurity and whatnot that came in part from non-IGO adjuncts.
>>>>> And the news reportage on this one
>>>>> http://www.telecompaper.com/news/internet-g8-to-be-held-in-paris-on-24-25-
>>>>> may
>>>>> says The "Internet G8", a conference to be held in Paris on 24-25 May
>>>>> before the official G8 summit in Deauville, has been conceived t*o
>>>>> generate debate and ultimately a set of proposals from private sector
>>>>> stakeholders for the consideration of the eight heads of government,*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> Maybe our French colleagues can clarify the precise agenda, but from
>>>>> what I'd hear this may be another one of those international events in
>>>>> which Sarko tries to launch some big new initiatives that's not been
>>>>> fully vetted with counterpart countries. In this context, it'd be
>>>>> surprising if there are no recs or declarations of any sort being
>>>>> provided by the private sector heavies he's assembled. And if so, then
>>>>> the IGF is sort of an odd model to say they should follow, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe I'm missing somethingŠ.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
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