And G20? Re: [governance] Internet G8 meeting

Marilia Maciel mariliamaciel at gmail.com
Wed May 11 10:47:21 EDT 2011 

Thanks for this very interesting and useful information, Maryem.It is
troubling to notice how the financial crisis has been the reason (or the
perfect excuse) for some governments to fall definately into the arms of the
business sector. This promiscuity we are watnessing is highly questionable
from a moral and from a democratic perspective.

The good thing about it is that the masks are starting to fall and we see
their contradictory positions. It has always been disturbing to me, for
instance, to watch some European governments paying lip service to
principles, such as access to knowledge and information in the IGF, and see
how they behave in WIPO, totally coopted by the copyright industry of their
countries.

Marília

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Meryem Marzouki <meryem at marzouki.info>wrote:

> Hi Avri,
>
> I was thinking of underlining that Internet issues should have been handled
> by the G20 instead of G8, a point that G20-8 governments could back later on
> (G20 summit is scheduled 3-4 Nov). A longer term issue.
>
> In terms of (genuinely) requesting a seat a the table, even for the eG8
> it's rather late anyway: it should be held on 24-25 mai in Paris, only some
> days before the G8 itself.
>
> In any case, do you know that the eG8 is currently looking for sponsors? A
> news article dated May 2 (yes, 2011...) reports that a big communication
> company is recruiting sponsors. Sponsorship could be 100 000, 250 000 et 500
> 000 euros. Starting from 250K€, the sponsor will have its brand on all
> official panels (shown on TV, I assume) and the head of the company will be
> co-chairman of eG8, i.e. they can participate to plenaries and round table.
> In summary: you pay, you speak. The scandal is reported here:
> http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/le-net/sponsors-eg8-0511.shtml,
> quoting La Tribune, an important economic French newspaper.
>
> Best,
> Meryem
>
> Le 11 mai 2011 à 14:36, Avri Doria a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not sure I understand the suggestion.  Is that that we suggest that
> they not have a eG8 but have an 'eG20' instead?
> >
> > As far as I understand the eG8 is already planned and the some
> people/organizations already have their invitations.  We want invitations
> for civil society becasue we want a seat at any table where these issues are
> being discussed on a global basis.
> >
> > The issue of G8 versus G20 would be a different one and one that at least
> for the moment is a bit late in relations to this event.
> >
> > Of course if there is a 'eG20', we should have argue for a seat at that
> table.
> >
> > a.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 May 2011, at 05:24, Marilia Maciel wrote:
> >
> >> Despite being more inclusive in terms of geopolitical representation, I
> believe G20 does not fulfill the need to the kind of discussions we are
> advocating in our statement: open to all countries on equal footing and
> genuinely multistakeholder.  But it would make sense if countries excluded
> from the debate in the G8 use the possibility to take the debate to G20 as a
> way of political pressure.
> >>
> >> Marília
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Meryem Marzouki <meryem at marzouki.info>
> wrote:
> >> And why not the G20? Just curious about the arguments.
> >> Meryem
> >>
> >> Le 11 mai 2011 à 11:56, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I think it is too late to change the statement since the voting has
> started.
> >>>
> >>> I have voted already but would want to withdraw my support for the
> statement if we would change it and now suggest that the G20 is our
> preferred group to address Internet policies.
> >>>
> >>> jeanette
> >>>
> >>> On 11.05.2011 11:38, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry, I'm jumping in even later than Bill!
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the statement is OK w.r.t. Bill's comment, precisely because,
> as
> >>>> Jeremy pointed, it asks for the eG8, and not the G8 itself, to be open
> >>>> to other stakeholders. That doesn't contradict the fact that the G8
> will
> >>>> probably adopt at least some kind of declaration, on the basis of the
> >>>> eG8 conclusions.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I would like to suggest an addition, which I think wouldn't
> >>>> radically change the statement and is in line with IGC positions so
> far.
> >>>> This year and under the French presidency, there's not only the G8
> >>>> Summit (26-27 May in Dauville) but also the G20 Summit (3-4 November
> in
> >>>> Cannes). It's particularly noticeable that the e-thing is held under
> the
> >>>> G8 and not the G20.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe we can add a sentence (related to our statement that " policies
> >>>> framed together by the most powerful nations, quite likely, will
> become
> >>>> the default global norm", 5th para) stating that Internet issues
> should
> >>>> have been addressed by the G20 rather than the G8. I think that, in
> >>>> addition, this would certainly be backed by some of the governments
> from
> >>>> the 12 excluded countries (not to mention those that are not even part
> >>>> of G20). If there are no objection, I'm confident that Jeremy and
> Izumi
> >>>> could draft a good sentence to express this point.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, the website of the French presidency of G8-G20 is at:
> >>>> http://www.g20-g8.com, and there's an English version available.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally one question: will the statement be submitted to NGO
> signatures
> >>>> (I mean especially outsite the IGC)?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Meryem
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 11 mai 2011 à 10:39, William Drake a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 11, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The proposed eG8 will not be a negotiating forum, any more than the
> >>>>>> IGF. In that respect, it is nothing like the G8 meetings proper. So
> I
> >>>>>> don't see that there is an inconsistency here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had a different impression based on the side events of past 68
> >>>>> summits, For example the Okinawa summit released the World Ec Forum's
> >>>>> report and recs on the global digital divide (which I wrote) and the
> >>>>> main meeting endorsed their thrust and promised cash (which generally
> >>>>> failed to materialize). Other summits have made similarly
> declarations
> >>>>> on cybersecurity and whatnot that came in part from non-IGO adjuncts.
> >>>>> And the news reportage on this one
> >>>>>
> http://www.telecompaper.com/news/internet-g8-to-be-held-in-paris-on-24-25-may
> >>>>> says The "Internet G8", a conference to be held in Paris on 24-25 May
> >>>>> before the official G8 summit in Deauville, has been conceived t*o
> >>>>> generate debate and ultimately a set of proposals from private sector
> >>>>> stakeholders for the consideration of the eight heads of government,*
> >>>>> *
> >>>>> *
> >>>>> Maybe our French colleagues can clarify the precise agenda, but from
> >>>>> what I'd hear this may be another one of those international events
> in
> >>>>> which Sarko tries to launch some big new initiatives that's not been
> >>>>> fully vetted with counterpart countries. In this context, it'd be
> >>>>> surprising if there are no recs or declarations of any sort being
> >>>>> provided by the private sector heavies he's assembled. And if so,
> then
> >>>>> the IGF is sort of an odd model to say they should follow, no?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or maybe I'm missing something….
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill
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