[governance] Help from MAG colleagues

[Izumi AIZU]

This might be slightly different in focus - but during the "unproductive"
CSTD WG 2-day meeting in Geneva, Civil society members participated
very much on equal basis with governments and other stakeholders,
continued from Montreaux meeting, but I like to take not on that.

Marilia made a great pitch at the very end of the meeting, set the
tone. This is not to say that current framework is perfect nor governments
are giving us great opportunity per se, when it comes to decision making,
say at CSTD, but sharing the process and working hard sometimes could
result more positive ways.

Just a footnote.

izumi


2011/3/27 Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>:
> If there were clearer structures of accountability within CS then it would
> be a lot easier to find/advocate ways for broadening the basis for
> participation to include under-represented groups... So long as CS is an
> amorphous group without clear external linkages for accountability purposes
> that makes linking into various grassroots groups for example, rather more
> difficult since who is to link with who and on what basis.
>
> Certain governments will represent certain interests at certain times, and
> agreeing with Milton that there is no reason to assume that governments are
> anymore reptesentative of their marginalized groups than anyone else except
> that in democratic systems the marginalized do have a voice which on
> occasion translates itself into policy including in relatively more esoteric
> areas such as IG. A CS which is serious about ensuring voice for
> marginalized groups would be actively seeking out allies among sympathetic
> governments and equally using their linkages with these groups in particular
> countries to lobby for appropriate policy positions on the part of those
> governments in IG circles.
>
> The case of Brazil (where I happen to be at the moment and in whose issues
> around the Internet I am currently immersed) would seem to be the ideal
> exemplar of the value of CS being more clear in its accountability
> structures and having stronger links into local CS.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf
> Of Milton L Mueller
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:34 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder
> Subject: RE: [governance] Help from MAG colleagues
>
> Parminder:
>
> When did you become such an adherent of the ideology of “stakeholderism”? I
> thought you were healthily critical of it. One of the key problems with
> MSism is that there are no clear boundaries between stakeholder groups, esp
> in civil society, and the process of selecting “representatives” of such
> groups is fraught with opportunities for manipulation. The claim, for
> example, that marginalized people in developing countries are represented by
> their governments, whose policies are often the cause of their lack of
> resources and marginalization, needs to be questioned.
>
> --MM
>
>
>
>
>
> It is an officially stated position, especially in varoius MAG reforms
> discussions, that selection is stakeholder group based. The current
> discussion here in the WG on IGF improvements is on increasing
> 'representation' of under represented groups, including developing
> countries. In this context, contesting stakeholder group or constituency
> basis of membership of the MAG makes a discussion on improving
> representation of marginalized group quite meaningless. That is my problem,
> coming from being situated in the middle of such a discussion here in the
> WG, which triggered my response. I am sorry that the term offended you. It
> was used in the sense of a 'good imagined thing that doesnt happen in
> reality' and not meant specifically for what you said but for the general
> 'just representing oneself' proposition often made in this kind of a
> discussion.
>
> Parminder
>
>
>
> jeanette
>
>
> The member list is here:
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/406-mag-2010
>
> jeanette
>
>
> and the division between developing and developed
>
> countries?
>
> That would be much appreciated
>
> Marilia
> --
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade
> FGV Direito Rio
>
> Center for Technology and Society
> Getulio Vargas Foundation
> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
>
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