[governance] MSism and democracy

[Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro]

Without wanting to get caught into the debate, I thought that I should
comment and say that I feel that the voice of Oceania or the Pacific is not
heard and participation can be improved.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:30 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:46 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> wrote:
> > McTim, my response are below
> >
> > On Wednesday 08 June 2011 08:08 PM, McTim wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I dont ignore 'the truth of your replies'. The problem you always seem to
> > speaking about a personal definition of 'internet governance' which I
> dont
> > share and neither does largely  the world, as also the IGC. For you IG is
> > developing standards, protocols and processes for management of critical
> > internal resources, or the logical layers of the Internet, and *nothing
> > else*.
>
> Simply not true.
>
> >
> > Your 'working models' correspond *only* to this narrow definition of
> > Internet governance. And I am almost always referring to the broader,
> more
> > political IG issues. You never ever acknowledge the governance needs of
> > these issues which most concern most of us here, much less come up with
> > working models for them.
>
> I have often suggested that we use the same model used in narrow
> governance issues for the broader IG realm.
>
>  So, you are as guilty of the 'deep silences' I
> > spoke about. And your repeated references to 'I am right now working on
> the
> > Afrinic list' and 'why dont all of you come and join us' simply do not
> speak
> > to the issue I am raising here.
>
> It does.  You spoke about "Deeper or participatory democracy is about
> getting in voices that are less powerful and less heard otherwise into
> the political processes."
>
> I was simply showing you that those CS voices are being heard.
>
>
> >
> > Tunis agenda had a good phrase for the distinction we are talking about '
> > public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, but not in the
> day-to-day
> > technical and operational matters, that do not impact on international
> > public policy issues.'
> >
> > Maybe we can call the 'the day-to-day technical and operational matters,
> > that do not impact on international public policy issues' as Internet
> > Administration (IA) to distinguish them from the wider and more political
> IG
> > issues that are the main concern of most of us, and of the IGF etc.
> > However, before this semantic (or is it just semantic?) problem is sorted
> > out between us, I cant see how a meaningful dialogue can be pursued.
>
>
> I don't know if it is just semantic or not, it seems that you have
> suggested (in the past) that the way Facebook operates, for example
> ought to be subject to international oversight of some kind, whereas I
> see their policies as largely "operational" in nature.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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-- 
Sala

"Stillness in the midst of the noise".
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