Without wanting to get caught into the debate, I thought that I should comment and say that I feel that the voice of Oceania or the Pacific is not heard and participation can be improved. <br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:30 AM, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:46 AM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br>> McTim, my response are below<br>><br>> On Wednesday 08 June 2011 08:08 PM, McTim wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">> I dont ignore 'the truth of your replies'. The problem you always seem to<br>> speaking about a personal definition of 'internet governance' which I dont<br>> share and neither does largely the world, as also the IGC. For you IG is<br>
> developing standards, protocols and processes for management of critical<br>> internal resources, or the logical layers of the Internet, and *nothing<br>> else*.<br><br></div>Simply not true.<br>
<div class="im"><br>><br>> Your 'working models' correspond *only* to this narrow definition of<br>> Internet governance. And I am almost always referring to the broader, more<br>> political IG issues. You never ever acknowledge the governance needs of<br>
> these issues which most concern most of us here, much less come up with<br>> working models for them.<br><br></div>I have often suggested that we use the same model used in narrow<br>governance issues for the broader IG realm.<br>
<div class="im"><br> So, you are as guilty of the 'deep silences' I<br>> spoke about. And your repeated references to 'I am right now working on the<br>> Afrinic list' and 'why dont all of you come and join us' simply do not speak<br>
> to the issue I am raising here.<br><br></div>It does. You spoke about "Deeper or participatory democracy is about<br>
<div class="im">getting in voices that are less powerful and less heard otherwise into<br>the political processes."<br><br></div>I was simply showing you that those CS voices are being heard.<br>
<div class="im"><br><br>><br>> Tunis agenda had a good phrase for the distinction we are talking about '<br>> public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, but not in the day-to-day<br>> technical and operational matters, that do not impact on international<br>
> public policy issues.'<br>><br>> Maybe we can call the 'the day-to-day technical and operational matters,<br>> that do not impact on international public policy issues' as Internet<br>> Administration (IA) to distinguish them from the wider and more political IG<br>
> issues that are the main concern of most of us, and of the IGF etc.<br>> However, before this semantic (or is it just semantic?) problem is sorted<br>> out between us, I cant see how a meaningful dialogue can be pursued.<br>
<br><br></div>I don't know if it is just semantic or not, it seems that you have<br>suggested (in the past) that the way Facebook operates, for example<br>ought to be subject to international oversight of some kind, whereas I<br>
see their policies as largely "operational" in nature.<br>
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<div class="h5"><br><br>--<br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>____________________________________________________________<br>
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