[governance] Re: [goverance] Your support for a petition

Mon Feb 21 13:17:25 EST 2011

Hmmmm, I have signed the Petition but had not throught about the 1% Carlos
is talking about.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> I entirely agree on the free expression grounds, but recall that there
> might be applications whose proposed TLDs might represent a perceived
> conflict with a community or gov on identification grounds (eg, a
> cultural heritage space etc). Recall also that 99% of the proposals will
> be from business (with plenty of $$$ to go over the entire process and
> take on the risks), and on the other side there might be a completely
> underpowered community of local gov or...
>
> I do not want to close the door on these possibilities.
>
> frt rgds
>
> --c,a,
>
> On 02/21/2011 02:26 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > On 21 Feb 2011, at 18:03, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >
> >> So, as I said, govs will always have the right (as any other community)
> >> to *request* a veto -- BTW, govs being or not part of the GAC.
> >
> > I am assuming 'request a veto' == 'file an objection'
> >
> >
> > And that is one of the sticking points at this juncture as I understand
> it.  And what follows is just my understanding, which could be very flawed
> as we are talking about governments and there is a lot about governments I
> just don't understand.
> >
> > As the current revision of the new gTLD guidebook is written (AGV5), a
> government needs to pay a fee to a private corporation in order to raise an
> objection just like anyone else.
> >
> > Seems fair, but ...
> >
> > Unfortunately for sovereignty reasons i don't fully appreciate, though I
> am told it is so by many, governments can't pay a fee to a private US
> corporation in order to participate in an objection process on issues they
> believe are counter to their national policy, law or culture.  Since ICANN
> did not accept the REC6 recommendation that governments should be able to
> file an objection for free (with the concomitant ability of the applicant to
> respond for free) they had to find another mechanism.  By operationalizing
> the GAC and allowing it to veto based on its consensus position, they felt
> they had a mechanism that achieved their purposes.
> >
> > Of course the idea that a single government or even the consensus of all
> governments could stifle free expressions with a veto is an outrage from my
> perspective.  That is why I signed the petition.
> >
> > I also think that perhaps there are aspects of this the DOC just did not
> consider.  E.g as one brilliant friend pointed out to me, by having the
> ability to veto any gTLD application, the GAC gains the responsibility of
> having given an implicit approval of all gTLDS it did not veto - i.e. the
> omission of a veto is approval with everything that might entail about
> national law and citizen attitudes and approval.
> >
> > This policy, if accepted, could be a real mess for the very governments
> who want it, besides being repugnant.
> >
> > a.
> >
> >
> > PS. as for vaccines against the suffering caused by a pretty primitive
> understanding of politics, i do not think there is any cure, but there may
> be palliatives available in places as liberated as California.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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