[governance] Re: Good contribution on IP addresses and Internet Governance

[Daniel Kalchev]

On 26.04.11 16:13, Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> This assumption is grossly distorted. You are an ISP, if you provide 
>> any "Internet" services, to anyone.
>
> IXPs only provide services to their members (who in turn provide it to 
> their customers).
Some ISPs too, provide services to "members only".
>
> And in the early days of IXPs, you often couldn't become a member 
> unless you had classic end users - pure content providers were excluded.
These are more like business, than policy decisions.
>
>> The RIR's assumption about ISPs is that these entities lease the IP 
>> addresses to end users for the duration of the service.
>
> And in what sense does Google's DNS server lease me an IP address 
> while I query its server on 8.8.8.8? Does PIR lease me an IP address 
> when I register a .org domain with them?

I assume my English expression was inappropriate. I was referring to 
RIRs definition of "ISP". Google and other DNS operators are providing 
Internet Services (of various kinds).

We need to make distinction between the TLD registry and the TLD DNS 
operator. For many ccTLDs these happen to be the same entities. For many 
gTLDs these are separate entities. For the expected large number of new 
gTLDs, in most cases the TLD manager and the TLD DNS operator will be 
different entities.

It is only the TLD DNS operator, that provides any "Internet Services" 
(name resolution). The other part of the TLD operators business is 
merely keeping an up to date database.

In any case, the DNS operator needs to be "independent" of their 
"upstream ISP" and in many cases these do not really have upstream ISPs, 
because their service is multihomed, especially when anycast is 
involved. This creates an entirely separate category of IP address space 
users. We have the option to either consider these "Internet 
infrastructure" or threat them just like any (other) hosting provider, 
because in essence what they provide as Internet Services is hosting DNS 
zones.

Daniel


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