On NN workshop RE: Re: [governance] Three IGC workshops ) NN FYI DIPLO

[Fouad Bajwa]

Hi Milton, I will have to usher everyone to the basic fact that developing countries tend to group and find a leader amongst them to follow. This is true in the case reported by Freedom House that Pakistan may have worser Internet censorship and freedom limiting practices in place and most of this comes from the actions of corporate giants and western countries attempting to hurt the beliefs of the country's majority citizenry. 

Now that the country should take those stances and thanks to Boeing's Naurus technology sold from the US to Pakistan, the country is able to dpi, sniff and censor a lot of content over all carrier traffic from the trans connect inwards from Karachi through the Pakistan Internet exchange pie. The example is followed by many around the region and the news surfaced during Egypts revolution too.

 This is a game being played and there is a public interest that has what you say but also another logic that evolves that the public interest is born and led forward by people against this hypocrisy displayed by corporations in the west selling the tools to censor and limit participation and then like facebook going against it's own terms of service supporting the display of discriminating content to incite chaos and hurt the beliefs of people mostly from Muslim developing world and or Muslims anywhere.

The NN debate limitation to just carriers and content providers is another display of hypocrisy. It has other issues included now and it's time the developing world also looked in to this and stepped out of the western public interest definition into an understanding that there is something called a developing country public interest. 

Policy makers do not know and they will not know in the developing world because western companies come here and educate and sell censorship technology, run a global security incident response network that encourages them to be afraid and do attempt to capitalize on a global capital!

FoO....!

On 17 Apr 2011, at 01:30 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Based on evidence we have gathered I can say that NN is certainly an issue in China and Brazil. Carriers there have installed DPI to manage bandwidth, block BitTorrent and other p2p applications, and to censor. Brazilian colleagues have told me stories (not confirmed, of course, as I haven’t spent much time there) about big carriers acting worse than the worst of the US ones. I can refer you to academic papers by computer scientists and network engineers advocating the use of DPI on mobile networks to throttle traffic. So the issue is quite relevant to BRICs.
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> In my 2007 paper I argued that content blocking and filtering was a deviation from the NN principle, and many LDCs organize their network in NN-hostile ways precisely because they want to censor content. So to answer Fouad, the NN debates in less developed countries like Pakistan often devolves into a debate over Internet freedom and censorship. Fouad may be right that the policy makers in those countries don’t know what NN means and think it is not relevant. But they sure do know what “internet freedom” means, and many of them don’t want it.
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> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:29 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Fouad Bajwa
> Subject: Re: On NN workshop RE: Re: [governance] Three IGC workshops ) NN FYI DIPLO
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> Fouad, 
> how about using whatever knowledge and experience on NN that is available in the US to improve the discussion on what NN means in developing countries? 
> What if one or two NN experts from the US exposed the context and important details of the issue in their country to another two panelists from developing countries who then pitch in and comment on what aspects of NN are indeed relevant for developing countries. And then everyone - and hopefully (active) workshop participants from developing countries - will take the discussion on from there.
> This way the workgroup can benefit from this experience and knowledge while also preventing the debate from being steered by a developed-country interest on the subject.
> I do think we can meet in the middle on this.
> Best, Ivar
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> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:42, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Typo:
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> sorry, the last paragraph had a typo: can has to be read as can't as follows:
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> "Secondly, my generation comes in with a different perspective and it
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> can't be changed or improved by failed perceptions"
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>  -- Fouad
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