[governance] IGC profile: some handfuls of people and a curmudgeon?

[Michael Gurstein]

My comments aren't directed to anyone in particular...

Hmmm...

Well... Since you asked...

In fact, in years gone by I have made some specific suggestions and at the
time was much more in a position to execute them... My suggestions had to do
with linking into the then active Global Telecentre Alliance and the
constituent members which represented a global network of quite active
grassroots ICT organizations of which I was an executive member.  My
suggestion at the time (as just recently) was that the issues being
addressed were rather too narrow to capture this group's interest so what I
was asking for with no response whatsoever was for the IGC group to begin to
address the broader range of concerns that these folks were interested in
and through which they could become engaged and as I recall I even indicated
some of the issues that would be of interest--infrastructure for access,
effective use, cost of access and so on...

They and I have now moved on (and a couple of potential collaborators on
this have now moved on from an involvement with the IGC) and there are new
actors a few of which I have contacts with, but most I don't. 

To say that its up to individuals is all very well except that the 'brand'
here doesn't seem to be broadly available to individuals to move forward
since it is so closely and organically tied to the yearly rhythms of the IGF
which of course is tied into the specific professional interests of various
of those who seem to manage the specific IGF brand.  It seems to me that if
there is to be any follow-up of the kind I am suggesting it would need to
have some sort of broader strategic recognition by the group as for example
is done systematically with the various determinations of participation
relative to the IGF and related.

I'm also still waiting for some response to my question which was not meant
as rhetorical...

Mike C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:01 AM
To: IGC
Subject: Re: [governance] IGC profile: some handfuls of people and a
curmudgeon?


hi,

i felt that Michael was attacking.  It was a yearly attack and then nothing
is contributed to make anything any different.

And i felt that you joined him.  

Though my questions about you data and others I can think of on your
methodology which was not covered, are reasonable scientific things to ask
about before one looks at results ad starts to take them seriously.  I love
to see the paper where the methodology is explained.  Using the data to make
a point without the science is somewhat empty.

So i wasn't t being defensive, and in fact often consider 'the ' don't be so
defensive' to be the passive aggressive response to being questioned (that
was the MA in counseling psychology speaking, please forgive me, she escapes
every once in a while)

So, I was responding.
None of it is my responsibility except for any individual action i may or
may not take to work with the IGC in reaching its goals, and i have no
reason to be defensive.  But as a member of the group, I will question.

I would love to see this group work on more and to have more contributors.
But I do believe it is the individual and collective responsibility of the
members of the group to make it happen.  Accusing some amorphous list of
being inadequate, is frankly speaking from my point of view, inadequate.  If
people want the IGC to change, they need to work on it, not complain about
it.  and what we seem to have is a few people who occasionally pop up,
complain and then disappear again until their favorite cue for complaining
comes up again.

a.



On 1 Oct 2010, at 15:40, Meryem Marzouki wrote:

> Now some specific answers, although I would have expected a discussion 
> on what these data might mean for us all as list members and 
> contributors, following Michael's question, rather than an unnecessary 
> defensive attitude: no one is attacked here.

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