[governance] Data Question: Re: [] IGC profile: some handfuls of people and a curmudgeon?
Avri Doria
avri at psg.com
Fri Oct 1 14:28:43 EDT 2010
One question on your data, does it take into account the people who have changed their subscription address?
a.
On 1 Oct 2010, at 12:06, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
>> Le 30 sept. 10 à 01:22, Avri Doria a écrit :
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I know there is a stream of new subscribers, and occasionally a new voice.
>>>
>>> i think we should have more outreach and i think it would be great if someone organized it.
>>>
>>> maybe when you come back from your adventure.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> a.
>
> That is very true. *Occasionally* a new voice.
> It happens that I've compiled some stats on IGC mailing list for a presentation I gave in July 2009 at the 2009 International Association for Media and Communication Research Conference in Mexico City.
> The stats were compiled on the more than 13,000 posts sent to this list from 1st January 2006 (my focus was the post-WSIS period) to mid-July 2009.
> Since the list subscribers turnover is not available to simple list subscribers like me, I had to restrict my compilation to the contributors only (i.e. people who actually posted messages to the list). So "participation" means having sent at least one post.
> Here is a flavor of the results (hoping the graphics will appear):
>
> 1/ IGC Participation Duration:
>
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> Contributors (posters) only. 304 over 4 years. As of mid-July 2009. Total of 13,157 posts.
> 16% (49) participate since 2006.
> 45% (135): 1 year only participation (2006: 36; 2007: 31; 2008: 44; 2009: 24)
> 25% (76): 2 years participation (not necessarily consecutive)
> 14% (44): 3 years participation (not necessarily consecutive)
>
> 2/ IGC Participation Turnover:
> Contributors (posters) only. 304 over 4 years. As of mid-July 2009. Total of 13,157 posts.
>
> <pastedGraphic.tiff>
> Legend:
> "Old": have participated in previous years
> "Join": haven't participated in previous years
> "Left": haven't participated the current year, but have previously participated
> "Total": "Old" + "Join"
>
> 3/ IGC Participation diversity:
> Contributors (posters) only. 304 over 4 years. As of mid-July 2009. Total of 13,157 posts.
>
> 50% by 15 contributors (11 participants for 4 years).
> Top 2: average of 200 posts/year
> Next 6: average of 100
> Next 7: average of 90-70
> 220 contributors posted less than 20 messages each
>
> 4/ IGC Participation "coziness":
> Well, I didn't dare compiling how many among the 304 posters I personally know and have met, and in any case this wouldn't have reasonably found its place in an academic presentation.. But this feeling of IGC as a "coziness space", which might be corraborated through various indicators, is obviously strong, and rather strange, speaking of a global civil society caucus, even though only dealing with Internet governance issues.
>
> My conclusion is that, far from being curmudgeonly as he warned this wasn't his intention, Michael raised a very legitimate and of utmost importance question. It probably deserves more serious thinking than what it got so far, but obviously only in case democratic participation is an issue..
>
> Best,
> Meryem
>
> Le 30 sept. 10 à 01:22, Avri Doria a écrit :
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I know there is a stream of new subscribers, and occasionally a new voice.
>>
>> i think we should have more outreach and i think it would be great if someone organized it.
>>
>> maybe when you come back from your adventure.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> a.
>>
>>
>> On 29 Sep 2010, at 18:58, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think what I mean is obvious especially since I've been saying more or
>>> less the same thing for years... Yes, I think that there should be a
>>> deliberate plan/program of engagement with the broader civil society and
>>> particularly those elements of civil society who are active around ICTs,
>>> social justice and the Internet globally--and there are multitudes. The
>>> folks active in the HR caucus for example seem to have managed to do
>>> something of this reasonably successfully at least as I have been observing
>>> them from a distance.
>>>
>>> Personally, I go in and out of direct involvements which would be of
>>> interest to or interested in IG issues depending on a variety of personal
>>> and other circumstances... At the moment I could certainly engage with
>>> sympathetic folks in Canada and and to a lesser extent in various other
>>> parts of the world where I happen to be working/doing research etc. but the
>>> problem is that to my mind we (IGC) have allowed ourselves to accept a way
>>> too narrow definition of what IG means, rather narrower I would say than
>>> even the IGF as a whole is now coming to accept and certainly narrower than
>>> would be of interest to many of those who would (and should) be our allies
>>> and compadres.
>>>
>>> Every year about this time I write the same thing and every year folks move
>>> on around "the bad relay point/me" but from what I can see (and again from a
>>> distance) not having the means or the passion to get myself to Vilnius, the
>>> IGC is, if anything, dwindling as older folks drift away and not a lot of
>>> younger folks are recruited and certainly no great tranches of broader civil
>>> society are engaged with.
>>>
>>> But I'm off on a bit of a personal adventure for the next while and will
>>> have only limited time to engage in a debate on these issues if any should
>>> result from these rather gnarly remarks.
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:04 PM
>>> To: IGC
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Criterion for charter voting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and why do you mean by this?
>>>
>>> is there some activity you think the group should be engaged in, that it is
>>> not?
>>> have you been doing outreach bringing in new people?
>>>
>>> a.
>>>
>>> On 29 Sep 2010, at 16:25, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't mean to be curmudgeonly but I really would have preferred to
>>>> see some of the energy and creativity that is going into ensuring the
>>> probity of the electoral system of this several handfuls of people most of
>>> whom know each other by sight over almost a decade, into broadening and
>>> deepening the group so that it has some broader legitimacy (and not just
>>> legalistically) as a voice for civil society in these most significant
>>> areas.
>>>>
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