[governance] Criterion for charter voting

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

that sounds great.
is it an effort you can take on and organize within the the IGC?

would love to see a nuanced paper in response the the BB commission come out of this group.

would love to see lots of nuanced responses  come out of this group.  

but somebody has to take the time to put a first draft on the table that they can in an relatively egoless way turn change control of over to the group and even perhaps to another editor.

and not many of us have taken that first step.  

these sort of things are member driven activities.  and i don't mean having idea, i mean doing the so-called heavy lifting.

so after your adventure, i do hope to see you take on the lead in some of the activities that would make the IGF a better caucus as you see it.

cheers

a.

On 1 Oct 2010, at 03:52, Michael Gurstein wrote:

> I think more than a bit of "outreach" is required... It needs to be part of
> a worked through strategy and broader agreed upon initiative... Developing a
> paper in (nuanced) response to the BB Commission report might be one way to
> start.
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:22 AM
> To: IGC
> Subject: Re: [governance] Criterion for charter voting
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> I know there is a stream of new subscribers, and occasionally a new voice.
> 
> i think we should have more outreach and i think it would be great if
> someone organized it.
> 
> maybe when you come back from your adventure.
> 
> cheers
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> On 29 Sep 2010, at 18:58, Michael Gurstein wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I think what I mean is obvious especially since I've been saying more 
>> or less the same thing for years... Yes, I think that there should be 
>> a deliberate plan/program of engagement with the broader civil society 
>> and particularly those elements of civil society who are active around 
>> ICTs, social justice and the Internet globally--and there are 
>> multitudes.  The folks active in the HR caucus for example seem to 
>> have managed to do something of this reasonably successfully at least 
>> as I have been observing them from a distance.
>> 
>> Personally, I go in and out of direct involvements which would be of 
>> interest to or interested in IG issues depending on a variety of 
>> personal and other circumstances... At the moment I could certainly 
>> engage with sympathetic folks in Canada and and to a lesser extent in 
>> various other parts of the world where I happen to be working/doing 
>> research etc. but the problem is that to my mind we (IGC) have allowed 
>> ourselves to accept a way too narrow definition of what IG means, 
>> rather narrower I would say than even the IGF as a whole is now coming 
>> to accept and certainly narrower than would be of interest to many of 
>> those who would (and should) be our allies and compadres.
>> 
>> Every year about this time I write the same thing and every year folks 
>> move on around "the bad relay point/me" but from what I can see (and 
>> again from a
>> distance) not having the means or the passion to get myself to Vilnius,
> the
>> IGC is, if anything, dwindling as older folks drift away and not a lot of
>> younger folks are recruited and certainly no great tranches of broader
> civil
>> society are engaged with.
>> 
>> But I'm off on a bit of a personal adventure for the next while and 
>> will have only limited time to engage in a debate on these issues if 
>> any should result from these rather gnarly remarks.
>> 
>> Best to all,
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:04 PM
>> To: IGC
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Criterion for charter voting
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> and why do you mean by this?
>> 
>> is there some activity you think the group should be engaged in, that 
>> it is not?
>> have you been doing outreach bringing in new people?
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> On 29 Sep 2010, at 16:25, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't mean to be curmudgeonly but I really would have preferred to
>>> see some of the energy and creativity that is going into ensuring the
>> probity of the electoral system of this several handfuls of people 
>> most of whom know each other by sight over almost a decade, into 
>> broadening and deepening the group so that it has some broader 
>> legitimacy (and not just
>> legalistically) as a voice for civil society in these most significant
>> areas.
>>> 
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