[governance] Result of IGF negotiation - one observation

[Jean-Louis FULLSACK]

Good points, indeed, for both Milton and Meryem.
Thanks for that.
I'd also thank Izumi for his efforts to keep us well informed in the whole course of these events, although I'don't share all the statements made.. Anyway, there will be a(nother) life after Geneva November 2010 ...

All the best
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT 




> Message du 25/11/10 00:08
> De : "Carlos A. Afonso" 
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Milton L Mueller" 
> Copie à : "Izumi AIZU" 
> Objet : Re: [governance] Result of IGF negotiation - one observation
> 
> Good points, Milton!
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 11/24/2010 08:59 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> > Izumi
> > I have a bit of trouble understanding your statements in this section:
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> However, in negotiations of this nature, while our key objectives were
> >> secured, we could not win on every point. In particular, it is
> >> regrettable that the text does not do more to talk up the successes of
> >> the IGF to balance the negative thread of "acknowledging the calls for
> >> improvements" (though happily diluted from "many calls" in the original
> >> text),
> >
> > Is it your position that the IGF is an unqualified success that needs no improvement?
> > That is certainly not my position, or even the position of the many people within this caucus that I know and talk to.
> >
> >> "recogniz(ing) the need for further discussion on the improvement
> >> of its working methods" and "consideration of IGF
> >> improvements....particular(ly) improving the preparation process
> >> modalities and the work and the functioning of the Secretariat". These
> >> several references to improvements in the text could for those with no
> >> direct experience of the IGF give the erroneous impression of something
> >> needing major change or even that the IGF is inherently flawed which is
> >> clearly not the case.
> >
> > I do not understand the need for such a defensive approach to the IGF.
> > The idea that any criticism or drive for improvement means that it is inherently flawed seems to reproduce the kind of polarization we saw when ICANN was challenged during the WSIS process. There were those who believed - quite erroneously, it turned out - that one must either defend it uncritically, or else one was supporting the ITU and a "UN takeover of the Internet." Those are false dichotomies and I see the same pattern being recreated here. Why?
> >
> > --MM
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