[governance] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain

[Adam Peake]

>Hi,
>That is actually a mis-perception. It costs to join APNIC and receive
>number resources.
>http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/how-much-does-it-cost
>
>If you visit the APNIC frontpage at http://www.apnic.net, you will see
>under the heading Internet Resources: How Much Does it Cost? and you
>will see the structure they have. All ISPs and service providers in
>the region have to buy their membership and then this trickles down to
>the end-users as well. Secondly there is no system for Civil Society
>and Non-Commercial User engagement, more or less, a structure coming
>down from the parent number resource system.


Yes there is.  Public policy meetings are open. 
Anyone can speak, raise matters, etc.


>Actually its sold to APNIC Members that charge quite a fees that in
>most cases is far more than the amount of income for many in our part
>of the world. Have a look at the Membership Charges of APNIC.


In the AP region addresses are allocated by local 
Internet registries or ISPs.  The fees are for 
blocks of address space, that those fees might be 
more than someone's income is not relevant.

"Note the following entities cannot receive 
resources: a legal entity outside of the Asia 
Pacific with no network operations in the Asia 
Pacific, or an individual."

Individuals pay what the ISPs decide the market will support.


>The perception you shared is what is commonly shared amongst the
>Internet community from the developed world. Its not an apple pie for
>us, really, we have some really tough problems here.


I think you are wrong. And McTim works in 
developing countries building networks with the 
resources you're talking about. I think he thinks 
you're wrong too.

Adam



>Its not how critically we think but what resources we have access to
>without Moolah (money) in between. The system is very vague indeed for
>the people that see it from outside but from the inside, you pay, you
>get.
>
>I rest my case.
>
>On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:49 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Fouad,
>>
>>  On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  Yes there is just one NRO, just to clarify your comment, for my
>>>  region's 'Asian' allocation of Number Resources passed on from IANA,
>>>  we have an Asian body that is a member of the NRO called APNIC Asia
>>>  Pacific Network Information Centre and the news was forwarded from
>>>  what I receive from them on a regular basis. Here is the APNIC IPv4
>>>  address block allocation.
>>>
>>>  For us we will always refer to it as the
>>>  Asian NRO
>>
>>  The term NRO has been around for only ~7 years, while the term RIR has been
>>  around for a lot longer.  You can call it what you will, of course.
>>
>>>
>>>  because that is whom our region interacts with, its quite
>>>  expensive though
>>
>>  What is expensive? I suspect you think that it is the cost of an IPv4
>>  address to an End User.  This cost is NOT determined by the RIRs in any way,
>>  these costs are set by the Local Internet Registry.  If you think that these
>>  costs would be reduced by the implementation of CIRs, then I suspect you
>>  haven't really thought critically about the issue.
>>
>>  The RIRs allocate and assign IPv6 addresses in a way that could not be
>>  cheaper.  Initially, fees were waived across all the RIRs in a bid to
>>  promote IPv6 adoption.  If you believe Milton's latest work on IPv6 costs,
>>  each LIR (in African and Latin America/Caribbean) pays ~4 US cents per /48
>>  (there are 65536 /48s in a default alloc of /32).  For APNIC, the
>>  calculation is slightly more complex (1180 AUD x 1.3(log(addresses)-22)2,3).
>>
>>  No matter how you calculate, no  matter which region, we are talking about,
>>  IPv6 addresses very small fractions of one US cent per IPv6 address.  NB: In
>>  Ipv6 land, we think in terms of sunets and not individual addresses.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  , the Malaysian guy at IGF2009 was right, we need more
>>>  decentralization of the NRO and regional allocators :o)
>  >
>>  Now I now you are just trying to wind me up, as this is a disastrous idea
>>  for your DA in IG.  I'm sure you have read my CircleID post about this, but
>>  if not, you should:
>>
>> 
>>http://www.circleid.com/posts/country_internet_registries_one_african_perspective
>>
>>  The most important thing that an RIR does that a CIR may not do is to
>>  provide a truly bottom up, transparent and open PDP for numbering policies.
>>  CS should embrace this as a BP in IG.  It is THE ideal CS way to do things.
>>
>>>
>>>  Two /8s allocated to APNIC from IANA (1/8 and 27/8)
>>
>>  These are the latest allocs only, to see the full list of v4 allocs to
>>  APNIC, go here:
>>
>>  http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml
>>
>>  or
>>
>>  http://www.apnic.net/db/ranges.html
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>  McTim
>>  "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
>>  indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Regards.
>--------------------------
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