[governance] Parminder's exchange with Bertrand

[Eric Dierker]

Get even closer to home. Look at the continued failure of the ICANN community to form a "constituency" for Registrants. The most obvious and clear case of rightfully placing folks in a group -- yet it cannot be done.
 
Then look at deity versus idea -- for centuries man has needed to place a human face on an Idea. From Apollo to Zeus to Thor to Mohammed to Mao - even Lincoln. Man seems incapable of placing importance strictly on theory or Idea, he must have a Christ or it is just too ethereal and abstract.  Hitler --- big deal. Obama --big deal Idi Amin -- big deal, pol pot --big deal --- anyone could have filled these shoes -- it was an idea based upon difference that made the "man" popular.
 
Milton is right we no longer need the human. Joe Sixpack can carry the message. Mankind is evolving to where we can handle the abstract idea. We are beginning to be able to judge the quality of a womens speech without having to know her Alma Mater or pedigree. The world is becoming a giant 12 step program based upon Anonymity and attraction rather than personality and promotion.
 
But the Registrants still flail and flounder because in fact they are too egotistical and arrogant and individualistic to elect and follow a leader. Milton NonCom group however flourishes and revels in the glory of patting each other on the back and giving each other awards and titles and therefor fits in, in this divide, segregate and prosper current model of multistakeholderism.
 
When we can give each soul, each personality respect enough that we can truly judge and respectfully interface -- idea to idea not title to title then we will have the true formation for global governance.
 
It will be good when individual rights are just a given and we begin to give rights to ideas.

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Yehuda Katz <yehudakatz at mailinator.com> wrote:


From: Yehuda Katz <yehudakatz at mailinator.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Parminder's exchange with Bertrand
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 9:22 PM


Lets make the discussion relevant  to the 21st century ,
Shall we discuss APAC as a Stakeholder as it is involved in the American Multi
stakeholder Political Landscape. It's a much better analogy to work with, and
scales globally in its effects through U.S. Foreign Policies.

The point made, is that Multi stakeholder' Group(s) can be just as effective
upon the population as the Despots (Hitler, Mussolini etc...), Just to be
clear, I'm only making a point about the 'Effectiveness' of a group and that of
an individual, not the political ideology associated (good or bad).

Either way there is an associated economies-to-scale within the era that allow
these powers to be created. And for the most part those economies are
capitalists (although some are Socialist with capatalist underpinnings).

Until now in Human History, I belive (as may Milton), that it is "possible",
that the Internet has 'significantly-reduced' the  requisite
'economies-to-scale' previously necessary for the rise too Power [by an
Individual (political figure) or Stakeholder Group], so that an Individual
(personal empowerment) within a Direct Democracy can be had, without the need
for representative surrogate (Leader or Group).

The Internet can level the playing field 'Politically', however the Internet
cannot level the playing field 'Economically', so the issue  regarding Human
Rights in regards to 'needs' (Standards of Living) cannot be resolved by the
Internet, they can be only resolved through a system of economic fair trade
working in equilibrium.

While we are on this subject, I would also point out that equal efforts toward
finding equilibrium must be put forth on the Ecological Playing field as well.
Over Population is the primary problem at this point in time, and any scaling
up made through say, Internet Governance efficiency, impacts the Human
Population and thus the Environment takes the brunt of the Ecological tax. 

So the two (Economy and Ecology are intrinsèque) are equally important, Anyway
you get the idea.

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