[governance] REVISION 4 Draft statement to UNSG on bypassing CSTD

[Eric Dierker]

I think we agree on this. I think we can both agree that writing in a style most easily undersood by all is optimum. Where we differ here, and not so much, is that when speaking to somebody we make sure that all listeners are easily accomodated.  That probably is not such a good idea. If the paper be for all to learn from,,, then write it one way. But if the paper be written so that a leader is pursuaded or influenced then write it for that reader/leader and that purpose.
 
If we are attempting to garner broad support for our position your technique and considerations would be at forefront.  In that our stated purpose is more focused on the Sec Gen then perhaps my thoughts should overshadow inclusiveness.  If it be your scenario then we are "grandstanding" and "playing for the crowds". I think better we do not say one thing and act another.

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] REVISION 4 Draft statement to UNSG on bypassing CSTD
To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Fearghas McKay" <fm-lists at st-kilda.org>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 5:28 PM



We need to agree to differ.
I cannot accept an argument that measures greatest and least on the basis of whether people speak English or not. And I believe in communication courtesy – an obligation on the speaker to make his/her point as clearly as possible concomitant with an obligation on the listener to make the effort necessary to understand. 

On 21 February 2010 11:52, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:






In all aspects of communication respect is a two way street. If the document is being drafted for the eyes of a very sophisticated person of high intelligence and education then proper respect requires that the language be of intelligence and sophistication.
 
Too often in civil societies we are concerned about the least amoung us and are not likewise concerned of the greatest amoung us. It is of no help to lower standards so that those of lower standards are included. It is far better to set sights on raising the bar for all rather than lowering it to be seen politically correct.

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [governance] REVISION 4 Draft statement to UNSG on bypassing CSTD
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Fearghas McKay" <fm-lists at st-kilda.org>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 2:06 PM





My point too. If we expect others to respect the diversity of languages used by civil society and generally online, then we need to be seen to be offering that respect ourselves. 
And I expect we would also like to be clearly understood by everyone, no matter which language they may feel comfortable in.
Deirdre


On 21 February 2010 09:22, Fearghas McKay <fm-lists at st-kilda.org> wrote:



On 19 Feb 2010, at 13:56, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:


How many Civil Society statements are drafted and sent to the Secretary General on this issue?  Why are we so worried about the length of the statement when it is not verbose by any standards and when there aren't too many statements from Civil Society on this issue? The IGC is making this statement on behalf of most of its several CS members, so it is ok if the statement is long enough to include the facts, arguments and express all our concerns.

Brevity without sufficient reason is unnecessary and would leave so much unsaid.

I am not arguing for reducing the size of the statement in total, just that the sentences are too long and complex.

Breaking them up will make the document longer whilst making it easier to comprehend and translate accurately. 




Regards

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