[governance] Re: Draft IGC statement on Wikileaks

[Lee W McKnight]

Speaking for myself: no I do not support a framework which shuts out non-governmental actors. (duhh)

I did hope, and still do, that the Internet Governance Caucus of Civil Society will be able to play off the Wikileaks controversy to draw attention to...
1) the significance of Internet Governance 
2) the role of the IGC in IG and 
3) the merits of discussing a broader framework or Framework across all stakeholders, for IG. 

I personally advised against trying to get into specifics too much of WikiLeaks case  which can be interpreted variously by members of IGC; and specifically against the phrase 'content regulation' which you can see sets off EFF and other's alarm bells and could easily be counter-spun by those suggesting we wish to make it easier for government censorship to now become inter-governmental censorship.  

Since we seem able to agree on 1), and sort of 2), but not so much 3) by tomorrow, my suggestion for David A is to focus his own remarks on 1 and 2, while of course disapproving the CSTD's exclusionary moves on which we all agree.

Jeremy's suggestion that he may issue a longer (1-pg) statement in his personal capacity, while identifying himself as co-coordinator of IGC (for identification purposes only ; ), is of course up to him; and I appreciate his courtesy in permitting us to comment on his drafts.  In fact I'll share some media contacts with him...in my personal capacity, to get his words out, whatever they are.

I also appreciate many IGC members and member organizations wish to comment on the WikiLeaks case for their own reasons, but personally would be - depressed - if IGC couldn't manage to comment at all, itself.  But we can carry on one way or another.

Lee


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From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of parminder [parminder at itforchange.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:04 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; McTim
Cc: Jeremy Malcolm
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Draft IGC statement on Wikileaks

McTim wrote:

Prmndr, Lee, Ian, et. al,




I have a hypothetical question (that may not be so hypothetical, if
the actions by some re: CSTD are anything to go by).

If the governemtns of the world decided they would build a "framework"
of some kind re: IG, but shut out all non-governmental actors in its
development, would you all still be in favor of said framework
building?




McTim

Since you again insist on a reply in a second email, i will reply, and also explain why i did not respond earlier.

My response is also hypothetical, to your hypothetical question, since I do not support silent acceptance of less than perfect governance structures.

My response is in form of a counter question - will you like to live without any government at all, or will you accept an imperfect government, while keeping up all efforts to perfect it?

McTim, either you are a complete anarchist or you have simply assumed that Internet and the new social structures being created by it are, somehow magically, a completely new space, completely unlike the world we know and live in, and thus needs no political governance (as we know political governance). I see such a position as very faulty at its very base, and thus am unable to respond meaningfully to questions that are built on this assumption. I can discuss this basic assumption and its fault with you, but no point otherwise arguing too much if we do not settle this basic, framing, issue.

Parminder


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