[governance] Re: Draft IGC statement on Wikileaks

[Katitza Rodriguez]

Hi Parminder

I have read and hear your opinions several times. I also mentioned that 
I do not give support to any inter-gov. organization since results can 
be for the good and for the bad. I prefer to take a more reactive 
approach, see what is going to happen. In any case, the deadline is 
short and I cant run this through my organization for a discussion 
before your deadline. So I do not have an institutional position on this 
as of now.

On 12/11/10 11:17 PM, parminder wrote:
>
>
> Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> In my personal capacity, I have the same concerns that Mc Tim 
>> mentioned here. IGC is moving an agenda where there
>> is no certainty about our involvement in equal footing. As I 
>> mentioned, since this is quite a short time, and we do not have yet
>> a position on this issue, I can't endorse that statement.
> Katitza and McTim
>
> One, IGC's statement clearly asks for any future structure to involve 
> CS. That is a big part of our main enhanced cooperation statement. 
> Wikileaks parts just highlights the kind of basic substantive issues 
> involved here. So, how do you judge that we are 'moving an agenda 
> where there  is no certainty about our involvement in equal footing'.
>
> Second, OECD/CoE initiatives do not have anything close to involvement 
> of CS on an equal footing. Worse, the globally non-democratic and 
> non-inclusive nature of these initiatives makes it rather quite 
> 'certain' that, when the crunch comes, the decisions/outcomes will 
> favor richer countries and other dominant groups. Is it not obvious.
>
> I often wonder about the nature of this 'political fiction' of civil 
> society being by and in itself a political constituency, and the way 
> propping this fiction has become the main task of many in the IG CS 
> space.
>
> I am civil society (as in organized CS) only as a political 
> expedient.  My basic  politics  is to represent and serve the 
> interests of those people and groups who I see as  structurally and 
> systemically marginalized in current power equations. parminder
>
>> It would be good that you listed the names of those who support it. 
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/10 10:33 PM, McTim wrote:
>>> Prmndr, Lee, Ian, et. al,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:45 AM, 
>>> parminder<parminder at itforchange.net>  wrote:
>>>> Hi Jeremy
>>>>
>>>> "The recent WikiLeaks affairs have starkly brought out how global 
>>>> Internet
>>>> cannot, and should not, be governed through illegitimate use of 
>>>> political
>>>> and commercial power. There are two clear problems with this 
>>>> approach of
>>>> using backroom governance tactics. One, they is always likely to be 
>>>> abused,
>>>> as in our view, they got hugely abused in the Wikileaks case. 
>>>> Second, in
>>>> possible cases where it may legitimately be required to employ some 
>>>> urgent
>>>> global governance responses to real problems or threats (or perhaps 
>>>> even
>>>> opportunities), which cannot completely be assumed away, backroom 
>>>> levels of
>>>> power based on raw political and commerical might, as employed by some
>>>> governments and their corporate cronies in the present case, are not
>>>> available to less powerful political players or countries. This 
>>>> situation
>>>> bespeaks a democratic deficit and a need for globally democratic 
>>>> principles
>>>> and institutional frameworks in the area of Internet governance, 
>>>> which is
>>>> the urgent challenge that the proposed process of enhanced cooperation
>>>> should address itself to. "
>>>
>>> I have a hypothetical question (that may not be so hypothetical, if
>>> the actions by some re: CSTD are anything to go by).
>>>
>>> If the governemtns of the world decided they would build a "framework"
>>> of some kind re: IG, but shut out all non-governmental actors in its
>>> development, would you all still be in favor of said framework
>>> building?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>


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