[governance] Substance for IGF CS Opening and Closing speakers

[Fouad Bajwa]

What Bertrand mentions is similar to the point that I have
occasionally raised that representatives of IGC both in the MAG and in
any open consultation/preparatory engagement within the IGF should
forward IGC viewpoints. That has been a critical aspect of my
interventions.

If we are making nominations, the viewpoints of IGC (reached with
consensus and mutual agreement and IGC endorsed) should be delivered
be delivered at the opening and closing spaces.

Despite that fact that we may possibly explore and agree to forward
Ginger and Jeremy as IGC Co/Coordinators to deliver IGC viewpoints, we
still have to identify and agree to them first and then our
representatives can deliver them.

We still have substantial time to initiate those Viewpoint discussion
threads and attempt reaching consensus.

my two cents..

-- Fouad

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
> We need to work on the selection of speakers, and I ask that you discuss,
> support and suggest on the speaker thread. On this thread, may we please
> have suggestions for two (one opening, one closing) topics and main points
> to be made?
>
> We seem (my impression, not a formal decision) to have informal consensus
> that chosen speakers 'should' speak on the topics, and with main points as
> defined by the IGC in this discussion. If you disagree, particularly if you
> are a nominated speaker, please post your views as well.
>
> Comments, suggestions, feedback needed. thanks, best, Ginger
>
>
> On 8/24/2010 11:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> Ginger,
>
> When I think back on speeches I witnessed and those I have read, that made
> an impact, I usually just remember the substance.  And on some I remember
> the speaker but danged if I remember what position they were speaking from.
> I do remember Mandela making some speech but I could not say in what
> capacity.  I remember "I have a dream" but I do not even know in what
> capacity the Rev. spoke. Likewise Ho Chi Minh made some I loved but as a
> student and I know this includes the great Ghandijji also but before
> Independence, so in what role I do not know.
>
> Let us bring together people with speakers who unite and ignite.  Whether
> the speech is a bellweather will depend upon the message and not the
> messenger.  Let us hear what our best contributors have to say, let them
> strike a cord of interest, let them lead us to further dialogue and deeper
> thought.  Only the power of their words - or the absence of, will determine
> if they speak for the greater community.
>
> As for me, I trust completely that the words from our co-coordinators will
> ring with earnestness, passion and intelligence.  I participated in the vote
> for them not so as to exclude them but to franchise them with an empowerment
> to do their best and they have honored that trust.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
> To: Bertrand de La Chapelle <bdelachapelle at gmail.com>
> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>; Jeremy
> Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 11:25:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] On opening and closing statements (Bill and Paul's
>
> This topic and Bertrand's proposal bring up an interesting and important
> discussion for the IGC and our communications. I think we should consider
> this carefully.
>
> The suggestion that the co-coordinators speak may be a very timely
> opportunity to bring together the IGC position, in juxtaposition with a
> critical moment for the IGF process. It has the possibility to help the IGC
> mature into a more significant voice for CS.
>
> However, if we are to effectively harness the power of this moment, we must
> also recognize that the co-coordinators as such, will not (imho) any longer
> be speaking as individuals, but as the IGC, and so the presentations must
> necessarily be very carefully prepared.
>
> May we please have more opinions on this possibility, as well as suggestions
> on how to prepare the statements, from those who are in favor?
>
> Thanks to everyone,
> Best, Ginger
>
> On 8/24/2010 3:54 AM, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
>
> Dear Mawaki, Ginger, Jeremy and all,
>
> I stand to be corrected, meaning I may have overstated my understanding of
> past practice. So thanks for the vigilant attention of friends here.
>
> However, we have collectively drafted caucus positions for most IGF open
> consultations and it seemed to work pretty well as it precisely allowed to
> iron out potential differences and find consensus. Why would it not be
> possible and useful for the IGF itself ?
>
> The rationale for my suggestion was that recent discussions showed -
> legitimate and understandable - differences of approach among prominent
> members of the list regarding the IGF exercise itself and the road forward.
> Hence, at this strategic juncture, the selection of speakers should not
> become an implicit vote for one vision versus another but an opportunity to
> identify elements of consensus and possible alternative options to nurture
> the debate.
>
> Moreover, an exchange now on the list about the main themes and elements of
> opening and closing interventions is the opportunity to have an in-depth
> discussion on the topic of "improvements" that we have not conducted so far
> in a structured manner.
>
> In view of the feedback on my previous post, I'd therefore like to
> reformulate the proposal as follows :
>
> 1) why don't we choose our two co-coordinators on the list (Ginger and
> Jeremy) as speakers ? It would provide geographic (latin america and
> asia-pacific), gender, and diversity of approaches (Jeremy does not have a
> reputation of being particularly tender with the IGF :-)
>
> 2) instead of a full drafting of the speeches, which I agree was maybe a bit
> too much,  a preparation on the list could help them identify the main
> strategic issues, some consensus formulations and the potential points of
> divergence (aka "options"). This is close to Mawaki's idea of "talking
> points"
>
> As often, the caucus works best when there is a specific deadline and this
> would be very useful preparatory work for the next milestones during the end
> of the year.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best
>
> Bertrand
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I too was surprised to read that bold highlight ("clearly calls
>> for...") as if it is a requirement following from some IGF rules &
>> procedures or that there was a written rule (or a proven practice) in
>> the Caucus to that particular effect, which I don't remember (and
>> frankly I might have missed, but hopefully not Jeremy).
>>
>> I'm confident based on the experience this group has so far
>> accumulated that whoever is chosen in the end will undertand that this
>> is not to be used as a self-serving opportunity, and will try to
>> reflect the variety of viewpoints existing in this community while
>> emphasizing the main views and consensus items wherever there are any.
>> I see the possibility for the Caucus perhaps to suggest a couple of
>> talking points (for the most important issues on the agenda) but
>> really not a collective elaboration of a full speech.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Mawaki
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>> > On 24-Aug-2010, at 12:51 AM, Bertrand de La Chapelle
>> > <bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What Bill was alluding to is that irrespective of who speaks, the
>> > message is
>> > the most important and it has : a) to fully take into account the issues
>> > that are being discussed (and will be in other fora like the UN GA and
>> > the
>> > CSTD), which means a strategic approach; and b) that if the IGC proposes
>> > a
>> > name, there is agreement that the speech is not up to the speaker to
>> > draft
>> > entirely on its own but should reflect the various sensitivities present
>> > in
>> > the IGC itself. This should be our understanding (and practice) of
>> > democracy.
>> >
>> > I agree up until now, but...
>> >
>> > This clearly calls for draft speeches to be elaborated on the list, as
>> > has
>> > successfully been done in the past, with sufficient opportunities for
>> > people
>> > to input and sufficient respect to the diversity of viewpoints.
>> >
>> > This I think would be a new practice for us. Yes we have done as you
>> > describe with IGC statements many times, but not with opening and
>> > closing
>> > civil society statements, which have not been treated as IGC statements
>> > and
>> > have been left to the reasonable discretion of those nominated.
>> > Our trust in those we shall nominate is based on the understanding they
>> > will
>> > not depart too radically from our general views.
>> > Anyway I am not discounting what you say but I do not think it is, as
>> > your
>> > post seems to suggest, our past practice. I will consult Ginger for her
>> > views and also invite others to comment.
>> > I would reply at more length, but just became a new father again some
>> > hours
>> > ago and am preoccupied at hospital. :-)
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