[governance] Reposting Workshop 1: Revolutionary Internet

Wed Apr 14 14:44:43 EDT 2010

Bill,

Tampere is great, good progress of past decade and all that.

But when you say:
That's been international telecom law since the telegraph.  Governments get priority, emergencies get special priority.

Lee observes: 

Not on the best-effort Internet.

Anyway, according to US law the Internet is an info service anyway and not telecoms; just reaffirmed by the appeals court remember. 

And oh yeah there's no universally accepted 'degree of emergency' priority override capability, just yet. (There is current IETF work underway on emergency communications, eg see: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schulzrinne-ecrit-unauthenticated-access-07; and http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-requirements-13)

Could be a governance issue, could be a good-enough work-around (as by nethope), could be a 'purely' technical fix coming soon from IETF.

Anyway, I just meant to highlight that nascent Internet governance issues could be embedded in seemingly technical areas such as emergency communications, even as -telecoms- treaties; and self-organized cs + private industry help in current emergencie, and IETF dpoes its thing .

So I'll tweak a paragraph tonight, not drastically revise or re-frame topic. (I promise Fouad!)

Lee

PS: And Bill I could tell you which - governance - institution got me into this way back when, but then I'd have to kill you. ; ) 

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From: William Drake [william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:09 PM
To: Lee W McKnight
Cc: Governance List
Subject: Re: [governance] Reposting Workshop 1: Revolutionary Internet Governance Ideas that can help change the Developing World

Hi

On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:

> OK, I'll take the bait, emergency communications and net relief in Haiti and Somalia are obviously IG issues.
>
> The Internet governance challenges of emergency communications has been studied for at least 15 years; I am unaware of a solution.
>
> If you wish to set up an instant IP-based network and share services, networks and/or devices across institutional lines within a jurisdiction  - in the midst of a major disaster - in which the people doing that have no jurisdiction or governance authority - what is the (general, time and life-saving) solution?

Well, there's the The Tampere Convention  http://www.reliefweb.int/telecoms/tampere/index.html.

I guess I see this as governance of an periodically utilized application space (with most of the action being offline) rather than as governance of the Internet.
>
> It's not -just - a governance issue; but without suitable governance I've seen one effort after another flop - for 15 years.
>
> Further, some jurisdictions have - some - degree of prioritization for particular 'emergency' traffic, but that is particular to those jurisdictions, or networks controlled by individual entities.  (And a philosophical or governance question - do we abandon net neutrality in an emergency, or are all packets equal then too?

That's been international telecom law since the telegraph.  Governments get priority, emergencies get special priority.
>
> Since you're forcing my hand, and know all my tricks of trying to dump work such as rewrites on others,

Uh, yeah...:-)

> I'll aim to get a tweaked paragraph to the list, by tomorrow. Perhaps highlighting emergency communications as an issue where revolutionary new (governance) approaches might be hoped for - unless someone can tell me this was all figured out by xyz working group or committee or....

Go for it if you like, emergency comm is an interesting field (had to get into this a bunch when I did the ICT for Peace report for Tunis) and I'd certainly attend a good workshop on the collective management thereof.  But proposals are nominally due tomorrow and as far as I can tell you are completely recasting this workshop, which people might want to discuss before saying this will be one of IGC's main contributions to IGF 2010...

Cheers,

Bill
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> ________________________________________
> From: William Drake [william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:28 AM
> To: Lee W McKnight
> Cc: Governance List
> Subject: Re: [governance] Reposting Workshop 1: Revolutionary Internet Governance Ideas that can help change the Developing World
>
> Hi Lee
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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>> To defend the revolution (?) and back up Fouad,
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> ???  Nothing/nobody is being attacked and needs defending.  IGC wants to submit workshop proposals and it is the normal process to collectively tweak, clarify, and improve them, so I took a couple minutes to try and help boot up conversations about the three on the table.  In this context, I said I didn't see how use of the net for relief in Haiti and Somalia is an IG issue per se.  It's more an ICT4D/ICT4P application issue and is hence being discussed in bodies with that focus, inter alia GAID.
>
>> I would ask Bil and others to explain how they know there will not be revolutionary IG ideas dreamt up to help change the developing world, and discussed at the workshop.
>
> I didn't imply that I know any such thing...?  But I do know that the IGC has over the years expressed concern about the IGF focusing on Internet issues generally at the expense of IG issues specifically, and rightly so, methinks.
>>
>> Maybe the paragraph description needs to be tweaked, but I would hate the IGC to abandon co-organizing the revolution just when it might be getting interesting : )
>
> So then please tweak it in a manner that turns it into a well specified proposal about IG and we're good to go...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
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>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:12 AM
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>> On 13/04/2010, at 3:13 PM, William Drake wrote:
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>> I am having a hard time getting my head around this workshop.  It appears to be about interesting Internet applications rather than Internet governance, and the schematic description makes it hard to guess what would actually be discussed.  Could the proponents please elaborate?
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>> Also Fouad, since a couple of people have expressed concern about the lack of an IG angle to this otherwise well-received workshop idea, would you consider proposing it to the IGF without the IGC listed as a workshop organiser?  Just a question.
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