Fwd: [governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to 3rd

Tue Apr 6 12:04:27 EDT 2010

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From: Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com>
Date: 2010/4/6
Subject: Re: [governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to 3rd
To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>

yes of course. Tanks for your concern on this
best,
Roxana

2010/4/5 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>

Roxanna,
>
> Could you please send me these papers and documents as well.
>
> On 4/6/10, Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Milton,
> >
> > I come from a developing country -Argentina-, and from a region full of
> > underdeveloped sectors -Latin America-.
> >
> > There are many studies -economical, political, sociological, cultural,
> etc-,
> > carried out by the most prominent international organisations and
> > institutions such as ECLAC, IADB, etc. which affirm and conclude and
> advice
> > on the catastrofic impacts that market liberalisation  policies have had
> in
> > the region. Meaning this that perhaps liberalisation is not bad in
> itself,
> > but that the policies that have been pushed in the region -under the
> > globalisation process-, have produced very bad impacts specially on human
> > development.
> >
> > I know that this is off topic for the list, so I suggest that I can send
> you
> > many documents that support what I am saying here to your private mail,
> if
> > you wish.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Roxana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/4/4 Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> >
> >> Gurstein:
> >> Clinton didn't "admit" that free trade was bad for "3rd world countries"
> >> he
> >> stated that it was bad for Haitian rice farmers. Which it may well have
> >> been
> >> - some of them are not competitive. Farmers have been moved "off the
> land"
> >> in every developing economy; typically that's part of the development
> >> process.
> >>
> >> Always missing from the free trade critics perspective is the harms done
> >> to
> >> the 70-80% of the population who pay more for rice because of the trade
> >> protectionism. So, how much more should all those poor people be forced
> to
> >> pay for food so that the economy can conform to romantic notions of
> yeoman
> >> farmers and self-sufficiency?
> >>
> >> While the emotional impact of this article trades on the Haiti
> earthquake
> >> disaster, I have trouble understanding how total dependence on local
> >> sources
> >> of food production protects you against a local earthquake. I guess
> people
> >> will use anything to milk such things to support their favored political
> >> agenda.
> >>
> >> The idea that a small island economy such as Haiti can be
> >> "self-sufficient"
> >> in _anything_ is worth treating critically, if your target is developed
> >> country standards of living. It reminds me of the crappy nonsense
> American
> >> politicians like to say about making us "self-sufficient in oil." This
> >> plays
> >> well in any election even though everyone knows that it's utter nonsense
> >> and
> >> will never happen. How about maintaining good relations with other
> >> countries
> >> and paying fair prices for things, instead of seeking an artificial
> >> "national" self-sufficiency?
> >>
> >> Or maybe we should make the state of New York self-sufficient in oil,
> >> food,
> >> etc. and stop trading with the rest of the world. That'll do our economy
> a
> >> world of good.
> >>
> >> To add icing to the cake, ARIN's Curran agrees with a protectionist
> trade
> >> policy - which would be disastrous if taken very far - because it suits
> >> his
> >> very short term and narrow agenda of justifying ARIN's centralized
> control
> >> of internet resources. Talk about a tail wagging a dog....
> >>
> >> --MM
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 1:02 PM
> >> > To: michael gurstein
> >> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to
> 3rd
> >> >
> >> > Interesting article... There are indeed times when a more "efficient"
> >> > distribution of resources via a free market doesn't actually create
> >> > a more desirable outcome.  Economic models can be good in theory, but
> >> > also need to be tempered in implementation with consideration of the
> >> > potential impacts in the real world (and particularly with respect to
> >> > discontiguous events).
> >> >
> >> > /John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Apr 2, 2010, at 11:57 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > This isn't directly about Internet Governance but rather about
> overall
> >> > > issues underlying "Global Governance" of which Internet Governance
> is
> >> > IMHO a
> >> > > subset hence I think that the below might be of some interest:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
> >> > dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032001
> >> > > 329_pf.html
> >> > >
> >> > > Former US president admits trade policies were "a mistake"
> >> > >
> >> > > During testimony before a US Senate committee three weeks ago,
> Clinton
> >> > > admitted that requiring Haiti to lower its tariffs on rice imports
> >> > made it
> >> > > impossible for Haitian farmers to compete. The trade policy forced
> >> > farmers
> >> > > off the land and undercut Haiti's ability to feed itself.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas, but it
> has
> >> > not
> >> > > worked. It was a mistake," Clinton - now a UN special envoy to Haiti
> -
> >> > told
> >> > > the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee on March 10. "I had to
> live
> >> > > everyday with the consequences of the loss of capacity to produce a
> >> > rice
> >> > > crop in Haiti to feed those people because of what I did; nobody
> >> > else."
> >> > >
> >> > > Clinton´s apology attracted scant media attention in the US and none
> >> > in
> >> > > Canada. It was included as part of an Associated Press news agency
> >> > report
> >> > > that was published by the Washington Post on March 20. The AP report
> >> > from
> >> > > Haiti´s earthquake-ravaged capital, Port au Prince, suggests world
> >> > leaders
> >> > > are reconsidering trade and aid policies that make poor countries
> >> > dependent
> >> > > on rich ones. It quotes UN aid official John Holmes as saying that
> >> > poor
> >> > > countries, like Haiti, need to become more self-sufficient by
> >> > rebuilding
> >> > > their own food production. "A combination of food aid, but also
> cheap
> >> > > imports have...resulted in a lack of investment in Haitian farming,
> >> > and that
> >> > > has to be reversed," Holmes told AP. "That's a global phenomenon,
> but
> >> > > Haiti´s a prime example. I think this is where we should start."
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