[governance] Review Panels

Sat Oct 17 21:19:00 EDT 2009

Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling about regional discrimination and segregation?  Along comes this presumably fine fellow and he is immediately herded off into "Ralo".

1. Do the Ralos represent a region really? Seems that young and old, poor and rich, educated and denied, cityfolk and countryfolk, women and men, students and faculty, black or white, tall and short make just as reasonable grounds to segregate.

2. When ICANN settled into this model didn't anyone question it? (besides those of us in the GA that is)

3. From what I have seen you can almost pick a persons Ralo by their race.

When they first started I was denied membership in an Asian one. I lived and worked in Saigon (currently known as HCMC) I was denied. A cool gal named YJ told me because I was white. When I permanantly moved back to the SouthWestern United States of America with some land in the United States of Mexico I was denied for longevity reasons. What the hell does an Eskimo have in common with a migrant Jamaican in New York city. Why would a Lady from Johanasberg group with a chieftan from Somalia? If regional is such a good idea why don't gTLDs stick to regional? If I have a sports car - I do not drive it in streets of Siberia -- My pickup truck not in streets of Paris. 

The coolest thing about the internet is the lack of borders and regions  ----  what the heck was someone thinking making it a segregation tool.

I think we all know the answer -- one group wanted to divide and conquer and the other were bigots.

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm> wrote:

From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>
Subject: Re: [governance] Review Panels
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, jfcallo at isocperu.org
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:20 PM

Dear Jose:
There is an ICANN At-Large community that might suit your purpose. See http://www.atlarge.icann.org/.  Under the At-Large umbrella, the regional organisation, LACRALO, may serve as your point of connection - see 

https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi - and there are opportunities for membership.   Since they are already members of LACRALO, your ISOC brethren in Argentina and Mexico may be helpful in advising you.

Kind regards,
Carlton Samuels
LACRALO, Jamaica 

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM, <jfcallo at isocperu.org> wrote:

Distinguished members of this list:
I write from Lima, Peru, we are interested in participating in ICANN, contribute from our experience, how do to connect with ICANN?, Send an e-mail for 10 days and no one responds.
Thanks
Jose F. Callo Romero
   Secretario
   ISOC Peru

Quoting Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>:

Bertrand,

There is more to this equation than diversity, balance, and  representativeness; these review panels will require individuals  with extensive knowledge regarding the particulars of the areas  under review (which is why independent experts are cited as part of  the necessary review team mix).

The teams will include:

the Chair of the GAC
the CEO of ICANN
representatives of the Root Server System Advisory Committee
representatives of the Security and Stability Advisory Committee
representatives of the At-Large Advisory Committee
representatives of the Generic Names Supporting Organization
representatives of the Address Supporting Organization
representatives of the Country Code Names Supporting Organization
independent experts (likely drawn from either the Technical Liason  Group, the IETF, the IAB, or from the pool of volunteer community  members)

and in the accountability/transparency review team, these members  will be joined by the Assistant Secretary for Communications and  Information of the DOC,

The current arrangement calls for the composition of the review team to be agreed jointly by the Chair of the GAC (in consultation with GAC members) and the CEO of ICANN.

Like all comparable ICANN processes, there will likely be a call for volunteers (similar to the recent call for NSCG placeholder councilors).  The ICANN Board will then privately settle upon whomever best promotes the ICANN interest (likely those that have never been critics) and will then advance those names to the Chair of the GAC.

I fully expect these reviews to be as much of a whitewash as all earlier ICANN self-review efforts.  Perhaps you will recall the earlier commissioned review of transparency and accountability provided in the One World Trust report -- we were told that ICANN is a model of transparency with robust accountability mechanisms... and yet we all know the reality.

Don't waste your energy on this project.  The deck will be stacked from day one.

best regards,
Danny Younger

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Bertrand de La Chapelle  <bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Bertrand de La Chapelle <bdelachapelle at gmail.com>
Subject: [governance] Review Panels
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Anriette Esterhuysen" <anriette at apc.org>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:33 AM

Dear all,

Could this list also address Anriette's concrete second question ?  What do you think the review process should be ? Fundamentally, the  community is facing a now recurring problem (cf. WGIG, MAG,...) :  how to compose a multi-stakeholder group for a given task, so that  it is sufficiently diverse, balanced and representative of the  variety of viewpoints ?

In addition, what do you tink the timing is ?

Best

Bertrand

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen  <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

snip

Second question is about the submissions on the review panels. What is
the process likely to be?

Anriette

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