<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling about regional discrimination and segregation? Along comes this presumably fine fellow and he is immediately herded off into "Ralo".</DIV>
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<DIV>1. Do the Ralos represent a region really? Seems that young and old, poor and rich, educated and denied, cityfolk and countryfolk, women and men, students and faculty, black or white, tall and short make just as reasonable grounds to segregate.</DIV>
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<DIV>2. When ICANN settled into this model didn't anyone question it? (besides those of us in the GA that is)</DIV>
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<DIV>3. From what I have seen you can almost pick a persons Ralo by their race.</DIV>
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<DIV>When they first started I was denied membership in an Asian one. I lived and worked in Saigon (currently known as HCMC) I was denied. A cool gal named YJ told me because I was white. When I permanantly moved back to the SouthWestern United States of America with some land in the United States of Mexico I was denied for longevity reasons. What the hell does an Eskimo have in common with a migrant Jamaican in New York city. Why would a Lady from Johanasberg group with a chieftan from Somalia? If regional is such a good idea why don't gTLDs stick to regional? If I have a sports car - I do not drive it in streets of Siberia -- My pickup truck not in streets of Paris. </DIV>
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<DIV>The coolest thing about the internet is the lack of borders and regions ---- what the heck was someone thinking making it a segregation tool.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think we all know the answer -- one group wanted to divide and conquer and the other were bigots.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/17/09, Carlton Samuels <I><carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Review Panels<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, jfcallo@isocperu.org<BR>Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:20 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv260324716>Dear Jose:
<DIV>There is an ICANN At-Large community that might suit your purpose. See <A href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.atlarge.icann.org/</A>. Under the At-Large umbrella, the regional organisation, LACRALO, may serve as your point of connection - see </DIV>
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<DIV><A href="https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi" target=_blank rel=nofollow>https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi</A> - and there are opportunities for membership. Since they are already members of LACRALO, your ISOC brethren in Argentina and Mexico may be helpful in advising you.</DIV>
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<DIV>Kind regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Carlton Samuels</DIV>
<DIV>LACRALO, Jamaica <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jfcallo@isocperu.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jfcallo@isocperu.org">jfcallo@isocperu.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Distinguished members of this list:<BR>I write from Lima, Peru, we are interested in participating in ICANN, contribute from our experience, how do to connect with ICANN?, Send an e-mail for 10 days and no one responds.<BR>Thanks<BR>Jose F. Callo Romero<BR> Secretario<BR> ISOC Peru
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR>Quoting Danny Younger <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dannyyounger@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com">dannyyounger@yahoo.com</A>>:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Bertrand,<BR> <BR>There is more to this equation than diversity, balance, and representativeness; these review panels will require individuals with extensive knowledge regarding the particulars of the areas under review (which is why independent experts are cited as part of the necessary review team mix).<BR><BR>The teams will include:<BR> <BR>the Chair of the GAC<BR>the CEO of ICANN<BR>representatives of the Root Server System Advisory Committee<BR>representatives of the Security and Stability Advisory Committee<BR>representatives of the At-Large Advisory Committee<BR>representatives of the Generic Names Supporting Organization<BR>representatives of the Address Supporting Organization<BR>representatives of the Country Code Names Supporting Organization<BR>independent
experts (likely drawn from either the Technical Liason Group, the IETF, the IAB, or from the pool of volunteer community members)<BR> <BR>and in the accountability/transparency review team, these members will be joined by the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the DOC,<BR> <BR>The current arrangement calls for the composition of the review team to be agreed jointly by the Chair of the GAC (in consultation with GAC members) and the CEO of ICANN.<BR> <BR>Like all comparable ICANN processes, there will likely be a call for volunteers (similar to the recent call for NSCG placeholder councilors). The ICANN Board will then privately settle upon whomever best promotes the ICANN interest (likely those that have never been critics) and will then advance those names to the Chair of the GAC.<BR> <BR>I fully expect these reviews to be as much of a whitewash as all earlier ICANN
self-review efforts. Perhaps you will recall the earlier commissioned review of transparency and accountability provided in the One World Trust report -- we were told that ICANN is a model of transparency with robust accountability mechanisms... and yet we all know the reality.<BR> <BR>Don't waste your energy on this project. The deck will be stacked from day one.<BR> <BR>best regards,<BR>Danny Younger<BR> <BR><BR>--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Bertrand de La Chapelle <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bdelachapelle@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com">bdelachapelle@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Bertrand de La Chapelle <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bdelachapelle@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com">bdelachapelle@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: [governance] Review Panels<BR>To: <A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>, "Anriette Esterhuysen" <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anriette@apc.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</A>><BR>Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:33 AM<BR><BR><BR>Dear all,<BR><BR>Could this list also address Anriette's concrete second question ? What do you think the review process should be ? Fundamentally, the community is facing a now recurring problem (cf. WGIG, MAG,...) : how to compose a multi-stakeholder group for a given task, so that it is sufficiently diverse, balanced and representative of the variety of viewpoints ?<BR><BR>In addition, what do you tink the timing is ?<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Bertrand<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Anriette
Esterhuysen <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anriette@apc.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>snip<BR><BR>Second question is about the submissions on the review panels. What is<BR>the process likely to be?<BR><BR>Anriette<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>____________________<BR>Bertrand de La Chapelle<BR>Délégué Spécial pour la Société de l'Information / Special Envoy for the Information Society<BR>Ministère des Affaires Etrangères et Européennes/ French Ministry of Foreign and European Affairs<BR>Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32<BR><BR>"Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de Saint Exupéry<BR>("there is no greater mission for humans than uniting humans")<BR><BR>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the
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