[governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
Eric Dierker
cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jun 23 18:08:23 EDT 2009
Dang Carlton,
Good point about the rags we read. I was so busy at; http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Obama-strongly-condemns-Iran-says-not-interfering-/articleshow/4694493.cms
And; http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/ getting my straight scoop I forgot to check up on these more "important" reports.
What is clear and important to this list is that; once informed, populations do not go back int the bottle like a good genie. Internet governance must realize its' important role and take responsibility accordingly. Just because we do not have a king or congress for world wide opinions does not mean it is not legitimate.
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>
Cc: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>, "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>, "Ben Wagner" <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:01 PM
Carlton and all,
The "Road to Damascus" has been straightened and paved. That's
what has happened. The whole story is not yet known, and may never
be accurately known. But it is nearly certain that many opinions in
times to come will be put forth. All will claim legitimacy, and few, if
any will actually have it.
What I see in Iran from our own sources is that there is yet another
power struggle amongst the clerics in Iran all vying for more power
and doing so in the name of some precept that is popular or is being
marketed as should be popular. The better question is what role
should the west play, if any? So far President Obama has played this
situation fairly well, yet our own technology is now compromised.
Perhaps such is for the better, for now, but for later such may come
back to bite us. To me the events in Iran remain unclear, but
demonstrate
that our founding fathers were very wise in the ideal of separating
church
and state.
Carlton Samuels wrote:
> FWIW, there are truly more persuasive views about what's happening in
> Iran than what CNN is reporting. For example, isn't is passing
> strange that a fella who was a hardline Prime Minister back in the day
> is now being celebrated as a leading liberal? What happened on the
> "road to Damascus"?
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html
>
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05.html
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/van-troostwijk1.html
>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html
>
> Hmmmmmm.........the numbers are not adding up.
>
> We know what happens when our august leaders promote "free and fair
> elections" in the periphery that reject their preferred
> candidates/parties. See Hamas, for example.
>
> Something is afoot in Iran. What we know for sure is that CNN, the
> NYT and WP aren't telling the whole story.
>
> Carlton Samuels
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Eric
> Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
Dear good Sir, I am most intrigued by your last line. You
use the past tense term "understood" instead of a more
conspicuous present tense. Perhaps this was a Freudian slip,
missed grammar,,, or better yet -- is there something you
could share with us regarding the current regime in Iran
being relegated to history at this time? Has open and
unstoppable Internet information flow toppled the government
there?? Is it possible that much like the USSR, the
information received has created a luminare' into an
unsustainable facade of governance? Is the "west" again
just too slow to see the success of free information and
speech? Is it true that lists such as this have slowly
eroded the pillars of ignorance and helped to shed the veil
of deceit?
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron
<nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron
<nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying
Aided By Western TechnologyTo:
governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Ben Wagner"
<Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:43 AM
That is the "mighty West", always trying to eat
its cake and having it. I cannot unbderstand the
madenning call for freedom of expression by the so
called Western countries and the sudden
development of devices to stymie free
expression. It is all the same business: third
world nationalist governments are never condoned
by the West who in their place, prefer less
power-base election riggers and pilferers. See the
red carpet given Western Leaders to the so called
third world "elected Leaders" Iran understood how
to deal with the west. Let them roost. Aaron
On 6/22/09, Ben Wagner <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
wrote:
The list of DPI-using countries which
censor their populace seems to grow by
day. It also seems that the line between
censorship and surveillance is becoming
increasingly blurred: --- Iran's Web
Spying Aided By Western Technology The
Iranian regime has developed, with the
assistance of European
telecommunications companies, one of the
world's most sophisticated mechanisms
for controlling and censoring the
Internet, allowing it to examine the
content of individual online
communications on a massive
scale. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html
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