[governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology

Eric Dierker cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jun 23 18:08:23 EDT 2009


Dang Carlton,
 
Good point about the rags we read. I was so busy at; http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Obama-strongly-condemns-Iran-says-not-interfering-/articleshow/4694493.cms
And; http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/  getting my straight scoop I forgot to check up on these more "important" reports.
 
What is clear and important to this list is that; once informed, populations do not go back int the bottle like a good genie.  Internet governance must realize its' important role and take responsibility accordingly.  Just because we do not have a king or congress for world wide opinions does not mean it is not legitimate.
 

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:


From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>
Cc: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>, "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>, "Ben Wagner" <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:01 PM


Carlton and all,

  The "Road to Damascus" has been straightened and paved.  That's
what has happened.  The whole story is not yet known, and may never
be accurately known.  But it is nearly certain that many opinions in
times to come will be put forth.  All will claim legitimacy, and few, if

any will actually have it.

  What I see in Iran from our own sources is that there is yet another
power struggle amongst the clerics in Iran all vying for more power
and doing so in the name of some precept that is popular or is being
marketed as should be popular.  The better question is what role
should the west play, if any?  So far President Obama has played this
situation fairly well, yet our own technology is now compromised.
Perhaps such is for the better, for now, but for later such may come
back to bite us.  To me the events in Iran remain unclear, but
demonstrate
that our founding fathers were very wise in the ideal of separating
church
and state.

Carlton Samuels wrote:

> FWIW, there are truly more persuasive views about what's happening in
> Iran than what CNN is reporting.  For example, isn't is passing
> strange that a fella who was a hardline Prime Minister back in the day
> is now being celebrated as a leading liberal? What happened on the
> "road to Damascus"?
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html
>
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05.html
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/van-troostwijk1.html
>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html
>
> Hmmmmmm.........the numbers are not adding up.
>
> We know what happens when our august leaders promote "free and fair
> elections" in the periphery that reject their preferred
> candidates/parties.  See Hamas, for example.
>
> Something is afoot in Iran.  What we know for sure is that CNN, the
> NYT and WP aren't telling the whole story.
>
> Carlton Samuels
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Eric
> Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
       Dear good Sir, I am most intrigued by your last line. You
       use the past tense term "understood" instead of a more
       conspicuous present tense. Perhaps this was a Freudian slip,
       missed grammar,,, or better yet -- is there something you
       could share with us regarding the current regime in Iran
       being relegated to history at this time? Has open and
       unstoppable Internet information flow toppled the government
       there??  Is it possible that much like the USSR, the
       information received has created  a luminare' into an
       unsustainable facade of governance?  Is the "west" again
       just too slow to see the success of free information and
       speech? Is it true that lists such as this have slowly
       eroded the pillars of ignorance and helped to shed the veil
       of deceit?

       --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron
       <nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:


            From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron
            <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
            Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying
            Aided By Western TechnologyTo:
            governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Ben Wagner"
            <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
            Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:43 AM
             That is the "mighty West", always trying to eat
            its cake and having it. I cannot unbderstand the
            madenning call for freedom of expression by the so
            called Western countries and the sudden
            development of devices to stymie free
            expression. It is all the same business: third
            world nationalist governments are never condoned
            by the West who in their place, prefer less
            power-base election riggers and pilferers. See the
            red carpet given Western Leaders to the so called
            third world "elected Leaders" Iran understood how
            to deal with the west. Let them roost. Aaron
             On 6/22/09, Ben Wagner <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
            wrote:

                 The list of DPI-using countries which
                 censor their populace seems to grow by
                 day. It also seems that the line between
                 censorship and surveillance is becoming
                 increasingly blurred: --- Iran's Web
                 Spying Aided By Western Technology  The
                 Iranian regime has developed, with the
                 assistance of European
                 telecommunications companies, one of the
                 world's most sophisticated mechanisms
                 for controlling and censoring the
                 Internet, allowing it to examine the
                 content of individual online
                 communications on a massive
                 scale. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html

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