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<DIV>Good point about the rags we read. I was so busy at; <A href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Obama-strongly-condemns-Iran-says-not-interfering-/articleshow/4694493.cms">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Obama-strongly-condemns-Iran-says-not-interfering-/articleshow/4694493.cms</A><BR>And; <A href="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/">http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/</A> getting my straight scoop I forgot to check up on these more "important" reports.</DIV>
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<DIV>What is clear and important to this list is that; once informed, populations do not go back int the bottle like a good genie. Internet governance must realize its' important role and take responsibility accordingly. Just because we do not have a king or congress for world wide opinions does not mean it is not legitimate.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/23/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm><BR>Cc: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" <nyangkweagien@gmail.com>, "Ben Wagner" <Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de><BR>Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:01 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Carlton and all,<BR><BR> The "Road to Damascus" has been straightened and paved. That's<BR>what has happened. The whole story is not yet known, and may never<BR>be accurately known. But it is nearly certain that many opinions in<BR>times to come will be put forth. All will claim legitimacy, and few, if<BR><BR>any will actually have it.<BR><BR> What I see in Iran from our own sources is that there is yet another<BR>power struggle amongst the clerics in Iran all vying for more power<BR>and doing so in the name of some precept that is popular or is being<BR>marketed as should be popular. The better question is what role<BR>should the west play, if any? So far President Obama has played this<BR>situation fairly well, yet our own technology is now compromised.<BR>Perhaps such is for the better, for now, but for later such may come<BR>back to bite us. To me the events in Iran remain
unclear, but<BR>demonstrate<BR>that our founding fathers were very wise in the ideal of separating<BR>church<BR>and state.<BR><BR>Carlton Samuels wrote:<BR><BR>> FWIW, there are truly more persuasive views about what's happening in<BR>> Iran than what CNN is reporting. For example, isn't is passing<BR>> strange that a fella who was a hardline Prime Minister back in the day<BR>> is now being celebrated as a leading liberal? What happened on the<BR>> "road to Damascus"?<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html" target=_blank>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html</A><BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05.html" target=_blank>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05.html</A><BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/van-troostwijk1.html" target=_blank>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/van-troostwijk1.html</A><BR>><BR>>
<A href="http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html" target=_blank>http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html</A><BR>><BR>> Hmmmmmm.........the numbers are not adding up.<BR>><BR>> We know what happens when our august leaders promote "free and fair<BR>> elections" in the periphery that reject their preferred<BR>> candidates/parties. See Hamas, for example.<BR>><BR>> Something is afoot in Iran. What we know for sure is that CNN, the<BR>> NYT and WP aren't telling the whole story.<BR>><BR>> Carlton Samuels<BR>><BR>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Eric<BR>> Dierker <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" ymailto="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR> Dear good Sir, I am most intrigued by your last line. You<BR> use the
past tense term "understood" instead of a more<BR> conspicuous present tense. Perhaps this was a Freudian slip,<BR> missed grammar,,, or better yet -- is there something you<BR> could share with us regarding the current regime in Iran<BR> being relegated to history at this time? Has open and<BR> unstoppable Internet information flow toppled the government<BR> there?? Is it possible that much like the USSR, the<BR> information received has created a luminare' into an<BR> unsustainable facade of governance? Is the "west" again<BR> just too slow to see the success of free information and<BR> speech? Is it true that lists such as this
have slowly<BR> eroded the pillars of ignorance and helped to shed the veil<BR> of deceit?<BR><BR> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron<BR> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nyangkweagien@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:nyangkweagien@gmail.com">nyangkweagien@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR> From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron<BR> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nyangkweagien@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:nyangkweagien@gmail.com">nyangkweagien@gmail.com</A>><BR> Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying<BR> Aided By Western TechnologyTo:<BR> <A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>, "Ben Wagner"<BR> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de" ymailto="mailto:Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de">Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de</A>><BR> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:43 AM<BR> That is the "mighty West", always trying to eat<BR> its cake and having it. I cannot unbderstand the<BR> madenning call for freedom of expression by the so<BR> called Western countries and the sudden<BR> development of devices to stymie free<BR>
expression. It is all the same business: third<BR> world nationalist governments are never condoned<BR> by the West who in their place, prefer less<BR> power-base election riggers and pilferers. See the<BR> red carpet given Western Leaders to the so called<BR> third world "elected Leaders" Iran understood how<BR> to deal with the west. Let them roost. Aaron<BR> On 6/22/09, Ben Wagner <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de" ymailto="mailto:Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de">Ben@gsi.uni-muenchen.de</A>><BR> wrote:<BR><BR>
The list of DPI-using countries which<BR> censor their populace seems to grow by<BR> day. It also seems that the line between<BR> censorship and surveillance is becoming<BR> increasingly blurred: --- Iran's Web<BR> Spying Aided By Western Technology The<BR> Iranian regime has developed, with the<BR> assistance of European<BR> telecommunications companies, one of the<BR>
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