[governance] The dawning of Internet censorship in Germany

Ralf Bendrath bendrath at zedat.fu-berlin.de
Wed Jun 17 22:19:55 EDT 2009


I don't want to sound like a supporter of Joe Baptista or Peter Dambier
here, but I also don't want unfounded things to be said about the
censorship conflict in Germany. So:

David Goldstein schrieb:

> To use the argument that blocking child pornography is ineffective is
> nonsensical. People still speed in cars yet there are laws against 
> speeding. It certainly changes behaviour though.

No. It's about stopping cars that (maybe accidentially) head to a wrong
direction instead of just arresting the wrong guy at the endpoint. So
much for analogies.

> However given the childish arguments put forward by people like
> Dambier, I wouldn't expect there to be much knowledge on such issues.

Don't troll unles needed, David. Especially without knowledge about the
situation in Germany.

There have been many, many, and many more arguments raised in the Gernan
debate since April. Result: Total ignorance.

> The issue is how far does such a list such as proposed by the German 
> government, and also the Australian government, go. If it's used to 
> block content such as child porn, great. If it goes further, then
> it's a problem.

The fundamental problem is: We will never know. The list is run by the
German Federal Police, it's secret, and there is close to zero
oversight. No judge, no prescribed procedures for taking sites off the
(un-known black) list, no nothing.

Ralf
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