[governance] Is ICANN listening?

Tue Jul 28 22:14:42 EDT 2009

Joe,

I am a native southwestern USaian. Rivers and streams and creeks are our lifesblood.

As should be openness and transparency in any Internet Governance model.  In this instance Avri Doria is directly responsible for any suspension or censorship under the auspices of the GNSO.
But as you can see from my post; ICANN cannot even maintain a list or make by law provision for it. Total incompetence or intentional disruption of public input. An obvious obviscation of truth. The exact opposite of transparency.
I have made many mistakes, but try to learn from them. Perhaps we can learn from the egotistical mistake of ICANN.

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org> wrote:

From: Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
Cc: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>, "GAC Rep" <ssene at ntia.doc.gov>, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>, "Cheryl Langdon-Orr" <cheryl at hovtek.com.au>, "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>, "DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep" <aheineman at ntia.doc.gov>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:58 AM

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Avri,

(sorry for delay in response to your very appropriate question  -  Off picking Blackberries, trying not to catch fish, Hiking, swimming and engaging in general all around conservation efforts within our riparian habitats)

ah so a river. your vocabulary is a bit eclectic in your riparian pursuits.

The By-Laws are really very loose when it comes to the GA.  The transfer from Dnso to Gnso or whatever left it in the lurch. But one thing is clear -- it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to you.

Exactly. Which brings us to another point. When am I being reinstated on the GA. Do I have to press a button and make ICANN jump?

cheers
joe baptista

Off your site;

Under the New ICANN Bylaws:
<http://www.icann.org/general/archive-bylaws/bylaws-15dec02.htm> 

9. Upon the adoption of this Transition Article, and until further action by the ICANN Board, the GNSO Council shall assume responsibility for the DNSO General Assembly e-mail announcement and discussion lists. 
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Avri and all,

  True enough that the NCUC is nothing at all like the GA.  As to
whether that is a "Good" thing of not of course is a matter of
opinion.  The miss characterization of the GA as a "Snake pit"
is hardly honest.  Yes, it has at times been contentious, but where
there are issues that lend themselves to very starkly divided opinions,
often are and should be contentious.

  In any event, the GA at one time had over 900 participants.  Due
to many factors, over a few years that number has dwindled to
what I understand is around 200 or so.  Many have contended that
such a reverse in interest was largely due to a lack of ICON staff
and Board members participation in a open an transparent manner,
AND due to a lack of some being more interested is trying to
enforce on others how to express themselves, ergo lacking free
speech acumen and consideration accordingly.

  So Miltons assertions and Erics remarks in respect to same, are
entirely accurate.  BTW Avri, Eric, Danny, and myself have many
times pointed out directly to you and most of the GNSO council
members exactly which bylaw has been continually violated.  In
any event, you are perfectly able to look that fact and the bylaws
up for yourself I would hope.

Avri Doria wrote:

> On 23 Jul 2009, at 21:33, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > The constant monitoring, failure to provide for and downright abuse
> > of participants in the General Assembly of the GNSO in contradiction
> > of their own by-laws is proof of Milton's assertions.
>
> which bylaw are you referring to?
>
> at one point i was very interested in seeing the GA list given more of
> a focus, but the support from the list was never there - it continued
> to act like a snake pit. and it never got itself to the point where it
> could get to a coherent consensus like the IGC can - even though they
> are both civil society efforts open to everyone.
>
> further, to compare the NCUC and it efforts to those of the GA List is
> very insulting to NCUC - they are nothing alike.
>
> a.
>
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