[governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
Vanda Scartezini
vanda at uol.com.br
Mon Jul 20 15:21:42 EDT 2009
Hi Wolf , yes I remember Beijing, here ( Brazil and other G20 countries) the
security is also the main issue. Treats means government closed decision
which is not the best for cyberspace, but a huge policy is mandatory.
Vanda Scartezini
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From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
[mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:19 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: AW: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
Thanks for the start of the discussion aound the "Cyber Monrioe Doctrin".
Here is another point which needs obviously more debate:
In a meeting we had early June 2009 in Bejing, China Vice-Minister of ther
Ministry for Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) declared very
directly that the "securtiy and stability is priority Nunmber One for the
exploding Chinese Internet Industry". China sees its own turf in Cyberspace
to protect its country and interests.
Russias President Medweded told the 3000 participants of the Annual Russia
Internet Forum near Moscow recently that Cybersecurity is very high on the
agenda of Russia Foreign Policy.
Before Obama went to Moscow, the NYT/International Herald Tribune reported
on its frontpage (June 27, 2009) "US and Russia split over cyberperil". The
article says: "Both nations agree that cyberspacve is an emerging
battleground. The United States is preparing to address the subject when
President Obama visits Russia in July and at the General Assembly of the UN
in November, according to a senior State Deparment official. But there the
agreement end. Russia favours an internaitonal treaty along the lines of
those negotiated for chemical weapons, and has pushed for that approach at a
series of meetings this yeaer and in public statements by hig ranking
officials. The United States argues that a treaty is unnecessary. It instead
advocates improved cooperation among international law enforcement groups".
When Obama was in Moscow the issue of "cybersecurity" was not raised in
public, neither in the press conference nor in Obamas speech at the "New
Economy School".
Space for speculation? At least there are three good questions if you link
this to Ms. Davidson doctrione proposal: Who has a turf in cyberspace? What
is mine and what is yours in cyberspace? And how to manage the cybercommons?
What do we need? Enhanced cooperation? Enhanced IGF? Enhanced G 20? First
priority for the moment should be transparency in a bottom up policy
developoment process, if there is a PDP underway. No need for new closed
doors in an open cyberspace.
Wolfgang
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Von: Eric Dierker [mailto:cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net]
Gesendet: Mo 20.07.2009 07:02
An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Vanda Scartezini; Carlton Samuels;
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang
Betreff: RE: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
I am always amuzed at students of history placing modern day values and
societal norms over their lens while gaining perspective of historical
stuff. As though we can somehow empathetically understand the dynamics of a
given place in time by applying our current anthropological bias. Then in
order to come up with fuel for a given contention we apply liberally the
damaging effects of a policy that was correct at the time of inception but
through lack of action remained passed its' intended lifespan and caused
unintended debilitary effects.
ICANN today can not be viewed through the visionary glasses of Jon Postel
as it exists today. It must be viewed through the corrupt lens of current
reality. Massive multinational conspiratorial Corporations now run the net,
not DARPA style engineers with ten pound spectacles and slide rulers. We
should not look to Countries to redefine the roles and responsibilities of
netizens and carpetbaggers but rather to the driving forces of international
monetary schemes.
I think using the same models of testing historic events we will look back
on this "consensual" document that was just produced and judge it harshly,
not due to its' genius but due to the lack of participatory validity.
--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:
From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br>
Subject: RE: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "'Carlton Samuels'"
<carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>, "'"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"'"
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:22 PM
Carlton
I guess I could add many others examples to your comments. Lets not
be naïve on this.
Vanda Scartezini
POLO Consultores Associados
& IT Trend
Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8
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From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com [mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Carlton Samuels
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:39 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
Subject: Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
Um, see, history matters! Those of us on the periphery of empire
can attest to that.
Seems I share some common reading material with Ms. Davidson. And
while we read the same books, her worldview leads her to count all other
actors in the space as merely collateral damage.
The Monroe Doctrine is an unfortunate metaphor applied to either
cybersecurity or Internet governance. I shall take the most benign
explanation and insist she is blithely unaware of the deleterious impact of
the Monroe Doctrine on Latin America and the Caribbean. Honduras is just the
latest gasp in a sorry history of an execrable policy that delivered
"repeated injuries and usurpations greviously committed" and unilateral
extraterritorial interventions resulting in stunted democratic institutions,
mayhem and murder. Other stakeholders, the local people for one, were never
recognized as having worthwhile much less sovereign interests. She clearly
does not know the true history of the United Fruit Company in Central
America and other implementing tools of this doctrine. I won't even
mention Haiti.
Let us be clear. The views expressed by Madame Reding of the EC inre
ICANN-related Internet governance issues are merely more, well.....shall we
say nuanced...as befits a better understanding of the sweep of history and
its impact on the future.
History is not bunk. And culture is a helluva thing!
Carlton Samuels
2009/7/15 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienk
omm.uni-halle.de> >
Here is a good statement from Mary Ann Davidson, CSO from Oracle,
where she proposes a "Monroe Doctrin" for Internet Governance. This is an
extended version from a statement she made in a Congressional Hearing
recently.
If somebody expected that we will soon the end of the IG debate, the
contrary will be the case: The discussion has just started and the risk is,
that all the new entrants in the discussion will probably not understand,
what multistakeholderism is and why this has been an achievement for the
diplomacy of the 1st decade of the 21st century. The 2nd decade could look
rather different.
Wolfgang
http://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/
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