[governance] IGF Review Question 6 start

[Michael Gurstein]

Who is "we"...
 
M

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From: Eric Dierker [mailto:cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net] 
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Subject: RE: [governance] IGF Review Question 6 start



Very insghtful (incitefull) and humrous.  But yes governance is only for
those who are governed.  I do not think we call this freedomance. We do not
and should not create governing principles or principals and then go out and
see who we can catch in our net.
 
Somehow international do gooders constantly interlope into what is basically
intended as a system of setting up norms and co-opt them into international
aid programs in order to garner publicity and further other agendas.  To be
governed is to be restricted. We do not need to restrict activity of
extremely poor people. We need to govern activity of those in power.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:



From: Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [governance] IGF Review Question 6 start
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "'Eric Dierker'"
<cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>, "'Sylvia Caras'" <sylvia.caras at gmail.com>,
"'Ginger Paque'" <gpaque at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:50 AM


Hmmm... so governance is just for the governors... Interesting concept... 
 
Not sure what you do with the notions of democracy and citizenship built up
over the last 1000 years or so, but maybe governance of the Internet is a
special case...
 
M

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From: Eric Dierker [mailto:cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM
To: Sylvia Caras; governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ginger Paque
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: Re: [governance] IGF Review Question 6 start



Yes indeed.  Leave the below out of any suggestions.  Great for goals and
cheerleading but very destructive to building foundations.  People must get
the fact that caring for the needy via the internet is not grassroots, it is
empathy, not work limiting accomodation. At best teh below approach will
lead us to form general policy based on isolated non-representative
experience and at norm lead us moribound into more worry about an individual
or inclusiveness than results.  "Governance" is not the idea of developing,
it is the idea of working with what we have, or what comes into it, not what
will make us feel good.
 
In short - you do not form a governance model and then say "Now let us go
out and find folks to govern".  Townhall meeting concepts are for pr and
politics.

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

 

Sylvia and Erik, thanks for your comments.

Erik, did you have any specific requests, or just positive feedback for
Jeremy's addition? If there was a change implied, I did not get it.


And here we include for example, Indigenous peoples worldwide, people with
disabilities, rural people and particularly those who are the poorest of the
poor and often landless or migrants, those concerned with promoting peer to
peer and open access governance structures built on an electronic platform,
those looking to alternative modes of Internet governance as ways of
responding to specific localized opportunities and limitations, and those
working as practitioners and activists in implementing the Internet as a
primary resource in support of broad based economic and social development.



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