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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=715261812-10072009>Who is
"we"...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Dierker
[mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 10, 2009
8:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein; 'Sylvia
Caras'; 'Ginger Paque'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [governance] IGF Review Question
6 start<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Very insghtful (incitefull) and humrous. But yes governance
is only for those who are governed. I do not think we call this
freedomance. We do not and should not create governing principles or
principals and then go out and see who we can catch in our net.</DIV>
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<DIV>Somehow international do gooders constantly interlope into what is
basically intended as a system of setting up norms and co-opt them into
international aid programs in order to garner publicity and further
other agendas. To be governed is to be restricted. We do not need
to restrict activity of extremely poor people. We need to govern
activity of those in power.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 7/10/09, Michael
Gurstein <I><gurstein@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Michael Gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com><BR>Subject: RE:
[governance] IGF Review Question 6 start<BR>To:
governance@lists.cpsr.org, "'Eric Dierker'"
<cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, "'Sylvia Caras'"
<sylvia.caras@gmail.com>, "'Ginger Paque'"
<gpaque@gmail.com><BR>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:50
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<DIV><SPAN class=666064611-10072009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Hmmm... so governance is just for the governors...
Interesting concept... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=666064611-10072009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Not sure what you do with the notions of democracy and
citizenship built up over the last 1000 years or so, but maybe
governance of the Internet is a special case...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric
Dierker [mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Sylvia Caras;
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Ginger Paque<BR><B>Cc:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] IGF
Review Question 6 start<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes indeed. Leave the below out of any
suggestions. Great for goals and cheerleading but very
destructive to building foundations. People must
get the fact that caring for the needy via the internet
is not grassroots, it is empathy, not work limiting
accomodation. At best teh below approach will lead us to form
general policy based on isolated non-representative experience
and at norm lead us moribound into more worry about an
individual or inclusiveness than results. "Governance"
is not the idea of developing, it is the idea of working with
what we have, or what comes into it, not what will make us
feel good.</DIV>
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<DIV>In short - you do not form a governance model and then
say "Now let us go out and find folks to govern".
Townhall meeting concepts are for pr and politics.<BR><BR>---
On <B>Thu, 7/9/09, Ginger Paque
<I><gpaque@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail>Sylvia and Erik, thanks for your
comments.<BR><BR>Erik, did you have any specific requests,
or just positive feedback for Jeremy's addition? If there
was a change implied, I did not get it.<BR><BR><BR>And here
we include for example, Indigenous peoples worldwide, people
with disabilities, rural people and particularly those who
are the poorest of the poor and often landless or migrants,
those concerned with promoting peer to peer and open access
governance structures built on an electronic platform, those
looking to alternative modes of Internet governance as ways
of responding to specific localized opportunities and
limitations, and those working as practitioners and
activists in implementing the Internet as a primary resource
in support of broad based economic and social
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