[governance] IGC on its list/ICANN governance

[Eric Dierker]

Thank you for the wonderful and expected response.
 
Legalism and sophistry.  These two demons being used by the uneducated in process to deny and exclude as opposed to include and accept.  CEOs and BoDs schtupeing* down to membership rolls in order to work political security for their club.
 
This is exactly why we must continue to discuss ICANN.  The most dangerous foes of the great internet society is exclusion and elitism.  The most dangerous weapons are censorship and condescension.
 
Hondurans, Iranians, consumers, users are all welcome here.  Or are they not?
 
*My adopted Grandfather Jacob Maier taught me this term of Roosevelt. It was about the great ones stumping and stooping at the same time -- too often a show. The irony was intended when reflecting on FDRs great affliction.

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:


From: kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on its list
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 2:23 PM


Eric,
     You were not denied membership. You were misdirected in how to apply. I asked David to direct you rather to the application system on the website whereby you should be fully included in the system when your application is accepted and ID properly sent in AFTER acceptance. I know of your interest and am awaiting your application.

-Karl E. Peters

Quoting Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>:

> Karl,
>  
> Why was I denied membership?
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on its list
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 2:07 PM
> 
> 
> While there is certainly room for difference of perspective, it  seems to me that ICANN has met every demand for greater  accountability or openness with a new layer of bureacracy or other  evasize tactic that resulted in no real openness or change in basic  operation. It is not hard to tell it was spun off from government!  :) Personally, I can not immagine why anyone outside the US would  want to stay under it when there is no real reason they should have  to. The ccTLDs are certianly a factor, but those are owed to every  nation regardless of fees paid to ICANN. I doubt China will have .cn  removed in protest of their setting up their own root!
> 
> In order for a group like this to have relevence in the age of  multiple primary roots, this list and the body that sponsors it  should look at establishing rules and best practices that are to be  advocated for as many roots as possible and not just administered  through ICANN. As ICANN loses its relevence/significance by  inability to compete anywhere their service is not mandated by  government, all the work to get something through the ICANN labrinth  will have been an unsatisfying use of time and energies looking  back. Whereas if you have developed good general guiding principles  that perhaps other roots would apply, you would give those roots a  chance to win consumer confidence by willing applicatiuon of your  practices and thus put pressure ICANN has never faced before to meet  the market expectations if it wishes to remain a force in the  community.
> 
> One of the greatest challenges forseen in the eventuality of a more  divided system of roots is the coordination of Top Level Domains  (TLDs) the "inclusive" name space, the whole of the TLDs running in  any and all operative roots. This was first a widely recognized  problem with ICANN's theft of .biz from a profitable operation that  was very actively running it, to give it to someone who would pay  them hefty fees and run it in their root. They got away with it that  time, in spite of untruths by Vint Cerf in his testimony before the  US Congress (available in audio at www.tldainc.org) but now, as ONE  OF the roots, not just THE GOVERNMENT root, they should have to  consult further than just the US government about any particular  string before its implementation. There must be a way to coordinate  such research with a complete and updated reference of all active  TLDs in any operational root. With the re-organization of the TLDA, 
 there is a beginning for this
>  underway. We would welcome your members here as guests to see what  we are working on and toward. Perhaps the breadth of your  experiences would help in making determinations and best practices  of our own.
> 
> There will almost certainly be an outburst from one of this list's  participants within hours of my post to tell you we are not ready  nor properly run; but just consider the source and decide for  yourself. Come visit the site at www.tldainc.org and ask some  questions. Hard questions are welcomed!
> 
> Perhaps those of you with this type of perspective or interest can  begin to blaze the trail for the remainder of the organization here  to follow, whether ultimately with the TLDA or not. At least the  conversation is started. We have a public list serve for those who  wish to discuss these issues more clearly without tieing up this  list too much. Just bring your findings back from time to time and  share your wisdom and experience with us as you can.
> 
> -Karl E. Peters
> k.peters at tldainc.org
> 
> Quoting Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Dear Bill and Karl
>> 
>> I really think it is time that once and for all we deal with the ICANN issue
>> and look at mechanisms to replace it with a representative, independent
>> body. We gone around n circles for years over this matter, but like a
>> tumour, we have to decide to have the courage to undergo srgery to remove it
>> or fool ourselves that it will not do much harm.
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Rui
> 
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