[governance] Regarding Honduras - My take of the story!

Tue Jul 7 10:04:52 EDT 2009

Gentlemen,

The Question that is Honduras is appropriate for this list.  In my defense, I was trying to get to the issues of who and why the data we were getting was "off norm". My hope was to get some substance to the obvious answer -- the internet!

You folks just tried to get to heartstrings instead of, or skipping over, the internet and its role in a political transition. Just like Somalia, Iraq and Iran and now Afganistan the Honduras are being known about through the net. How that net is governed as a catalyst for understanding is critical to its continued success as an eye opener.*  

But lest we forget there are factors we must keep in the forefront. Education is marketing and marketing is education. In developing nations progression as in revolutions the work must be done outside to inside, inside to inside, outside to outside and finally inside to outside. The Honduras are a case for a digital divide. Access to information is a keystone. Those that are savy obtain the information and then relate it to others. So now we must watch and learn how the savy use that technology -- for themselves or for their countrymen.

Again I ask; Why the overload of women? Why the dearth of 20 to 30? Where is the highly sophisticated and tech savy Holy See? Just how is the Internet access being used and controlled?

*look at the questions being asked for IGF and how they directly apply to Iran and Honduras.

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:

From: kpeters at tldainc.org <kpeters at tldainc.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] Regarding Honduras - The other side of the story!
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Rui Correia" <correia.rui at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 11:46 AM

Thank you for your understanding! I know this was not internet  
governance related, but was approached by desparate Honduran friends  
to get their side of the story out to the world. I wrongly assumed  
that this group of supposedly civil society folk would welcome the  
voice of the missunderstood and perhaps apply this knowledge in their  
civil service duties in their respective countries. Again, I was  
wrong.   Thanks for your understanding, however, singular as it was!!!
-Karl

Quoting Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>:

> Somehow, whereas I recognise that this is not the right forum for this
> discusion, I cannot help thinking that in different circumstances (different
> countries, different ideologies) this matter would be enjoying much more
> attention ...
>
> ........ but then again, it has always been that that way ....
>
> Best regrads,
>
> Rui
>
>
>
>
> 2009/7/7 Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr>
>
>>
>> What, by the hell, has this pamphlet to deal with Internet govenance ?
>>
>> Are the webmaster and list moderator both sleeping or collusive ?
>>
>> Ban this from our List !
>>
>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>
>>
>> > Message du 04/07/09 21:11
>> > De : "Karl E. Peters"
>> > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> > Copie à :
>> > Objet : [governance] Regarding Honduras - The other side of the story!
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > All international observers,
>> > Here below, please find a position paper in both Spanish and
>> > English from the Honduran people in explanation of what has transpired
>> > there. It was sent to me yesterday in hopes I could give it
>> > international exposure.
>> > Please read the statement below for a perspective missed by the
>> > mainstream media, the truth. If you do not read Spanish, just skip down
>> > a little and read the English translation. THANK YOU!!!
>> >
>> > SPANISH
>> >
>> > > Pronunciamiento Civico a la Comunidad Internacional
>> > > Pronunciamiento cívico a la comunidad internacional en general y a los
>> cristianos en particular
>> > > Como es sabido, al igual que la mayoría de sus vecinos
>> latinoamericanos, Honduras sufre de grave subdesarrollo en lo económico,
>> social, educativo, cultural y político. No obstante, en los últimos días
>> este pequeño y desfavorecido país ha demostrado increíble fortaleza digna de
>> gran elogio.
>> > > En un hecho sin precedentes, el Congreso Nacional, el Tribunal Supremo,
>> el Fiscal General, el Procurador General de la República, y la Comisión
>> Nacional de Derechos Humanos por unanimidad actuaron en defensa de la
>> Constitución de la República en contra de una amenaza real y presente.
>> > > Como resultado de su negativa a acatar las normas y reglamentos
>> establecidos en la Constitución, Manuel Zelaya fue legalmente removido como
>> Presidente de la República de Honduras el 28 de junio de 2009.
>> > > La remoción del Presidente Manuel Zelaya no puede ser llamada "golpe de
>> Estado" pues no cumple con dos características fundamentales de este
>> fenómeno político: La primera característica es la toma del poder por
>> > > los militares y la segunda, la ruptura del imperio de la ley. Las
>> medidas adoptadas por las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras se basan en una orden
>> judicial y su finalidad era restablecer el imperio de la ley, que estaba
>> siendo violado constantemente por el Ex-Presidente Zelaya. Incluso las
>> iglesias católica y evangélica en vano instaron previamente al ex Presidente
>> Zelaya a caminar en el camino de la razón y que desistiera de sus
>> actividades ilegales. Después de la intervención de las Fuerzas Armadas, la
>> Constitución sigue en vigor y se respeta plenamente por la sucesión del
>> poder establecido por la Carta Magna, que nombró a un nuevo Presidente
>> Constitucional.
>> > > Lamentablemente, este valiente acto de los organismos gubernamentales,
>> en defensa de la verdadera democracia y realizado en un espíritu de unidad y
>> el patriotismo, no ha sido bien recibido por la comunidad internacional.
>> Todo lo contrario es cierto. La OEA, las Naciones Unidas e incluso los
>> Estados Unidos han presionado a esta pequeña nación hasta el punto de
>> amenazar con sanciones y con aislamiento total. Hasta el momento de escribir
>> esto, Honduras ha sido categóricamente denunciada por ellos sin el beneficio
>> de una investigación objetiva de los acontecimientos que finalmente
>> condujeron a sus ciudadanos a deponer a su Presidente.
>> > > Hay días difíciles por delante para los hondureños; días cuando su
>> verdadera convicción sobre la democracia estará a prueba. Muchos comienzan a
>> dudar de que se ha hecho lo
>> > > correcto. Otros se inclinarán ante la terrible presión de la comunidad
>> internacional. Por último, otros se verán sacudidos por algún ataque en
>> contra de la convicción moral de su decisión. Quién sabe si tal vez Chávez
>> cumplirá su amenaza de invadir el país. ¡Pocos eran conscientes hasta ahora
>> de cuán lejos han llegado los tentáculos del nuevo totalitarismo del siglo
>> 21!
>> > > Dios, que quita y pone reyes, no ignora el dilema que enfrenta
>> Honduras. Él está allí, esperando que Su pueblo le clame con fe intensa y
>> sincera. Oremos para que las nuevas autoridades de Honduras hallen gracia
>> ante el resto de la comunidad internacional. Oremos que este nuevo gobierno
>> se mantenga firme en su determinación de completar lo que ha comenzado; y
>> oremos que la familia hondureña permanezca unida.
>> > > Nosotros como pueblo cristiano estamos pidiendo a la OEA y a la ONU que
>> escuchen a nuestro Congreso, nuestra Corte Suprema de Justicia, nuestro
>> nuevo Presidente, nuestras organizaciones civiles, y a nuestras Iglesias, a
>> fin de comprender mejor lo que está sucediendo en Honduras, antes de pasar
>> juicio sobre los acontecimientos de este último fin de semana.
>> >
>> > ____________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > ENGLISH
>> >
>> > CITIZEN'S POSITION STATEMENT - www.enpazylibertad.org
>> > Like most of her Latin American neighbors, Honduras suffers from
>> > severe underdevelopment in the economic, social, educational, cultural,
>> > and political arenas. Notwithstanding, in recent days this small and
>> > disadvantaged country has shown incredible fortitude worthy of great
>> > praise.
>> > In an unprecedented event, the National Congress, the Supreme
>> > Court, the Attorney General, the Solicitor General's office, and the
>> > National Commission on Human Rights unanimously acted in defense of the
>> > Constitution of the Republic against a real and present threat.
>> > As a result of his refusal to abide by the rules and regulations as
>> > set forth in the Constitution, Manuel Zelaya was legally removed as
>> > President of the Republic of Honduras on June 28, 2009.
>> > The removal of President Manuel Zelaya cannot be called as a
>> > "coup d'état," because it does not comply with two fundamental
>> > characteristics of this political phenomenon: The first characteristic
>> > is the seizure of power by the military and the second the breakdown of
>> > rule of law. The action taken by the Armed Forces of Honduras was based
>> > on a court order and its purpose was to restore the rule of law, which
>> > was being consistently violated by the President Zelaya. Even the
>> > Catholic and Evangelical churches previously urged former President
>> > Zelaya to walk on the path of reason and to desist from his illegal
>> > activities to no avail. After the intervention of the Armed Forces, the
>> > Constitution is still in force and is being fully respected by the
>> > succession of power established by the Magna Carta, which appointed a
>> > new Constitutional President.
>> > Unfortunately, this courageous act by governmental agencies, in
>> > defense of true democracy and done in a spirit of unity and
>> > patriotism,20has not been well received by the international
>> > community.  Quite the opposite is true.  The OAS, the UN and even the
>> > United States have pressured this small nation to the point of
>> > threatening sanctions and total isolation. Up to the time of this
>> > writing, Honduras has been categorically denounced by them without the
>> > benefit of an objective investigation of the events that ultimately led
>> > to its citizens deposing its President.
>> > There are tough days ahead for Hondurans; days where their true
>> > convictions on democracy will be sorely tried.  Many will begin to
>> > doubt that the right thing has been done; others will bow before the
>> > terrible pressure of the International community.  Still others will be
>> > shaken by the attack against the moral conviction of their decision.
>> > Who knows, maybe Chavez will make good on his threat to invade the
>> > country?  Few were aware until now of how pervasive are the tentacles
>> > of the New Totalitarianism in the 21st century!
>> > God, who raises and casts down kings, is not unaware of the dilemma
>> > facing Honduras.  He is there, waiting for His people to cry out to him
>> > with intense, sincere faith.  Let us pray that the new authorities in
>> > Honduras find grace before the rest of the world community, that they
>> > remain firm in their resolve to complete what they have started and for
>> > the Honduran family to remain united.
>> > We are praying, but we also ask that you share this letter with as
>> > many people possible and advocate for our nation Honduras before your
>> > church congregation, your local radio and news Media, your local Chamber
>> > of Commerce, with your State Governor, your State Representative, your
>> > State Senator, and your President.
>> > We as a people are asking that OAS and the UN listen to our
>> > Congress, our Supreme Court, our new President, our civic organizations,
>> > and our Churches in order to better understand what is happening in
>> > Honduras before passing judgment on the events of this last weekend.
>> >
>> >
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