[governance] IGC on its list

[kpeters at tldainc.org]

Thank you,
      With great appreciation for your candor and your reasoning for  
why things as they are, there is hope that perhaps there is a future  
beyond ICANN for such a group as this! As you already know, I tend to  
think way outside the ICANN "box" already, perhaps a bit too early!  
But, however, I believe it is with its value. ANY time I might lend  
some perspective on things from outside the box in a constructive way,  
I will do so. Otherwise I will try to stay out of the way of the ICANN  
march.
      Even for those dedicated to ICANN for whatever expensive and  
innefficien reason they may have, there is a great benefit in knowing  
how the rest of the world sees them and how it plans to work around  
ICANN unless it learns to complete, not just for DoC handouts of power  
and authority, but in a real marketplace and purely market based roots  
again spring up, this time with more zeal and hope than before. ICANN  
must also remember its very sad history of running roughshod over  
those it does not benefit from and favoring those that jump through  
its hoops and pay its fees. I speak, of course, of the .Biz issue of  
several years ago.
      Thanks again for a voice of candor and reason in this group! It  
was most refreshing AND HOPEFUL...
-Karl E. Peters


Quoting Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:

> Hi Karl,
>
> Yes, this list can tend to become ICANN-obsessed, and to a lesser degree
> this is also true of IGF. I agree this is not a good thing either for this
> list or for a sensible discussion of internet governance and where it should
> head.
>
> But I think the reality we face is that it is far easier to criticise an
> incumbent organisation with all its faults than to take a broader view of
> internet governance and gain support and understanding for the larger scale
> governance issues the Internet is going to face. Yes, it's a problem, but
> how we move to the bigger picture escapes me at this point of time...
>
>
>
>
> On 7/07/09 12:22 AM, "kpeters at tldainc.org" <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
>
>>       If I might add one further question to the very interesting
>> questions of Mr. Drake;
>>
>>       To what extent does this forum restrict itself to the internet
>> as it relatres to ICANN and the US DoC to resolve internet policies
>> and does it in fact have the freedom to discuss the real and dynamic
>> internet (for better or worse) making ICANN less and less relevant on
>> the international scene? Every time I have mentioned internet activity
>> outside of ICANN, this list, as it is very good at doing, completely
>> ignores the subject as if not seeing it will make it not exist. Is
>> this an IGF policy? Is your future tied exclusively to ICANN? Clear
>> answers to these questions will tell a lot more about your future than
>> answers to all the other questions combined.
>>       Based on past experience, I expect dumb silence to this question
>> but would welcome thought out response!
>>
>> -Karl E. Peters
>> kpeters at tldainc.org
>>
>> Quoting William Drake <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Skimming and deleting over morning coffee, a random thought occurs: is
>>> this still the listserv of the IGC?  It hasn't been obvious of late.
>>> It's been quite awhile since there much traffic from people who are in
>>> the IGC discussing the sort of concerns for which we established the
>>> list seven years ago, and it's not like there are no live issues out
>>> there.  For example, do we not intend to submit a group statement on
>>> the IGF review by the July 15 deadline?  We had some preliminary
>>> discussion on this in May and people indicated a preference for some
>>> focused dialogue leading to a statement of more than a couple
>>> paragraphs outlining why the caucus favors renewal.  Given the rather
>>> variable inputs the UN and the IGF secretariat (for the Sharm
>>> synthesis paper) will be receiving from member governments, one would
>>> think this is an important thing to do.
>>>
>>> Comments on the review process so far are at
>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformn
>>> ame=FormalConsult032009ListView
>>> (Great URL, I love the website ;-)
>>>
>>> The questions we are asked to address are:
>>>
>>> 1. To what extent has the IGF addressed the mandate set out for it in
>>> the Tunis Agenda?
>>> 2. To what extent has the IGF embodied the WSIS principles?
>>> 3. What has the impact of the IGF been in direct or indirect terms?
>>> Has it impacted you or your stakeholder group/institution/government?
>>> Has it acted as a catalyst for change?
>>> 4. How effective are IGF processes in addressing the tasks set out for
>>> it, including the functioning of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group
>>> (MAG), Secretariat and open consultations?
>>> 5. Is it desirable to continue the IGF past its initial five-year
>>> mandate, and why/why not?
>>> 6. If the continuation of the Forum is recommended, what improvements
>>> would you suggest in terms of its working methods, functioning and
>>> processes?
>>> 7. Do you have any other comments?
>>>
>>> Surely we can manage answers to these in the next ten days, no?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************
>>> William J. Drake
>>> Senior Associate
>>> Centre for International Governance
>>> Graduate Institute of International and
>>>   Development Studies
>>> Geneva, Switzerland
>>> william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch
>>> www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html
>>> ***********************************************************
>>
>>
>>
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