[governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

I personally would not presume to say what we, as civil society, should be supporting.

I tend to toward multistakeholder systems where each stakeholder group figures their own ways, ie. their choice from various democratic or other forms, of picking their representatives.

As for what the nation states have foisted on us in the name of democracy, i have grown quite disillusioned with it as I have not seen an election yet that has not been tampered with and/or distorted in multiple ways.  i strongly believe that direct democracy works at the local level but that it does not scale to the global level, and i believe that bottom-up representation can grow within the stakeholder model from the most local level up in some varying but scalable way.  

i do not accept that any form of top down so-called democratic form can really be democratic, it can pretend and it can lull us into a sense of democratic security, but it will always let us down and will always serve the people with money and not the rest of us.

so yes, I am looking for full participatory multistakeholder process.

a.


On 28 Dec 2009, at 14:55, Michael Gurstein wrote:

> 
> Avri,
> 
> I'm not really sure what you mean by "full participatory multistakeholder systems" but I would have thought that we, as civil society should be supporting a full participatory democratic process as the basis for both national and global policy development.
> 
> I have very real concerns about the corporatist outcomes and forms that "multistakeholder systems" seem to result in--a close look for example, at classic multistakeholder systems like the IOC/Olympics structures don't give one a lot of confidence in the broader benefits that are achieved as a result of these processes. (The narrower benefits realized by the various stakeholder beneficiaries and elites are rather easier to identify.)
> 
> Mike
> 
> (about to become a temporary refugee from the Vancouver Winter Olympics… 
>   
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:09 AM 
> To: IGC 
> Subject: Re: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Dec 2009, at 11:29, Parminder wrote:
> 
> > Do we basically lack belief in global policies (polity) of any kind or 
> > just in global policies made exclusively by intergovernmental forums 
> > without due participation by civil society in the spirit of what has 
> > come to be known as 'deepening democracy'?
> 
> 
> I am not sure that we, in the sense of we the IGC, have a belief.
> 
> Personally, i believe that the only valid global policies would come from full participatory multistakeholder systems.  while it may not always be the case, the national state still fulfills a relevant function, but in my personal opinion it is one of several equal partners in any debate.
> 
> So as long as we, in the sense of the IGC, are supporting the creation of a well formed multistakeholder regime, we have something I believe in.  in my life i work for (either in a volunteer sense or a professional sense) two institutions that are working toward a multistakeholder future.  neither has achieved that fully yet - each has a dominant force, in one the nations states and in the other the private sector, but both are, in my opinion on the right track an represent as far as we can get at this point.
> 
> a.
> 
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