[governance] IGC

Fouad Bajwa fouadbajwa at gmail.com
Sun Dec 6 18:03:25 EST 2009

My two cents on this:

* This is for the sake of discussion and should not be taken as
criticism, please!

Tracy, ummm, these ideas are a bit overwhelming though I like the
ideas about social networking website like using ning and we do have
an example of one of our members from the DiploFoundation using it on
http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org and many of our members can
help implement it if the IGC reaches consensus to it in the near

But, I would like to share a small case here, last whole year, I had
no electricity in Pakistan for about 16-20 hours everyday and had to
use a small but very expensive Edge device to access my emails and was
limited in my participation because of my Internet speed at 4-10kbps.
This means I can't access websites like Facebook or Ning. Similarly,
some things would be of key concern regarding the afore mentioned like
whether do we all in the developing world have such speedy access to
the Internet to open and participate in such live discussions or the
choice of passive email medium is the best route since everyone at one
point in time or the other can participate equally and inclusively.
Also, the issue about access of the social network on a mobile device
or low-spec machines might come up and the solution for IGC is
supposed to be easily, equally, inclusively accessible by all of our
members and even those that are yet to join or use the Internet!

I know some of these ideas may be easily implemented if this was the
same as the government agency you are serving in for smaller projects
but we have an IGC Charter we follow with mutual and inclusive
consensus and any change to that has to be taken forward with mutual
consensus and through a collaborative process that the IGC Charter
provides us with.

I also know a lot of IGC people that I've seen participating in the
various international meetings mentioned but one also has to realize
that the members usually do so by interest or voluntarily or if they
find resources through fellowships and grants like you and me to put
as an example.

I don't know if the charging of fees is a good way to go. Most of us
don't have credit cards in the developing world and we won't be able
to pay up. Say the fees was set to a one time US$50, that would be Pak
Rupees 4200 which is a lot of money for us and so would it be for many
other nations. Maybe I can meet up with Ginger on the various
occasions that I have and pay her the dues but what will the rest of
the 99% of IGC do? In my personal opinion, bad idea!!!!

I have learnt one thing while participating in Civil Society that we
have to think about others when we plan or suggest such ideas and
invite all or atleast think about the low-income and least developed.
All of us are not in the best case scenario nor in the worst of
conditions but still we have our limitations and we have a gather as a
community to carry out  a number of collective activities with regards
to Internet Governance Forum and Internet Governance in general.

My own feelings come down to the fact that since we are discussing
restructuring of IGF in a separate discussion thread, these
discussions about improving IGC functioning in proportion with the
previous should also be done in the same thread so that we have a
record of all these suggestions that can be later put together as
suggestions for IGC. The suggestions for IGC can be moved to our
website while the suggestions for the restructuring of the IGF can be
collected, shared and then disseminated to the secretariat.

I also like what Kati has shared as they are some wonderful ideas with
the Civil Society aspect in mind and would be very useful in the
future indeed that concern us all and as she mentions the meetings,
those come from the Open Consultations and MAG meetings strategy for

Lets keep the ideas flowing in!!!

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google
<tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
> I am not sure if this was discussed/raised/explored/shot down before,
> because of the current IGC discussion list format, but from my own
> experiences, here are some thoughts to move the IGC forward and attract a
> wider and deeper cross-section of "civil society" (see the excellent and
> concise LSE definition of this dilemma
> at http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/CCS/introduction/what_is_civil_society.htm):
> 1. Evolve the dialog away from the dated mailing/discussion list format
> towards a more transparent and open Social Networking & Collaboration
> platform - I recommend that Marc Andreessen's and Giani Bianchini's
> brilliant Ning technology be used as opposed to the somewhat restricted
> Facebook, Orkut, and the like. Establishment of appropriate IGC presences on
> Twitter, Scribd and YouTube will also be useful. Utilization of emerging
> solutions such as Google Wave should be explored. Enterprise solutions such
> as Social Text, Lotus Connections are also available if a more robust
> solution is desirable.
> 2. Move the IGC into the mainstream and raise its profile through a physical
> "re-launch" or "event". This event could consist of the presentation of a
> series of Civil society position papers as alluded to by Katitza. A timely
> slot for this would perhaps be immediately pre-IGF 2010, or for more
> diffused but consistent impact, pre-ICANN, iNET and IETF 2010
> meetings/conferences.
> 3. Develop a regular meeting or series of meetings where the IGC membership
> can interact and engage in strategic planning. The technology deployed if
> (1) is accepted will make this extraordinarily simple - time zone
> considerations aside.
> 4. Develop a Strategic Plan, Operating Budget and solicit appropriate
> financial support from its membership - membership growth beyond the
> existing should be guaranteed by (1) and (2). The Wikipedia donation model
> is instructive. I am also certain that the IGF Secretariat will provide
> support if a Strategic Plan, Budget and Operational Plan for 2010-2011 were
> presented.
> Mobilize. Grow. Prosper.
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Katitza Rodriguez
> <katitza at datos-personales.org> wrote:
>> Dear IGC members:
>> I would like to see the IGC grows as a caucus. Grow not only in terms of
>> members but grows in terms of outcomes/deliverables and capacity of
>> organization.
>>  It is vitally important that IGC produce their own papers to address the
>> most relevant topics at the IG level. It is equally important that IGC can
>> take into account also all those collective civil society papers that were
>> released in other venues but are crucial also for the IGC debate. It should
>> be both ways. All will depend on the issue, the time, the knowledge, the
>> capacity, our energy, our passion and our capacity to make things done,
>> among many other factors.
>> We all need to learn to put in the table not only the issues that we care
>> about but also the issues that others civil society participants care about,
>> and defend all with the same passion.
>> We should be able to better organize ourselves. Having meetings every
>> morning before each meeting to debrief of what's going on in each workshop
>> and be able to respond in each workshop is vitally important. Some
>> groups/networks/coalition does this work. Can we do it as a whole group?
>> This can happen only if we are well organized. There were more than 111
>> workshops. If we can monitor all the workshops and have always one or two
>> civil society participants able to put in the table those issues that we
>> care about, we will a better capacity to at least educate/share
>> knowledge/give another point ot view to all those who are on the room, on
>> the issues that civil society participants cares about.
>> Hopefully, the candidates have a vision on this regards and can move
>> forward the process. IT is a lot of work, and its not easy but we should do
>> it if we want to be effective.
>> Warm Regards
>> Katitza
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