[governance] Trying to "fix" the list

Fri Aug 14 10:53:46 EDT 2009

Hello

I agree with Ginger on some of her points ( so disagree with Avri on some of
her points )

Did Ginger imply moderated and NOT a closed list with inaccessible archives?
I think what Ginger suggested is a moderated list, the list happens to be a
moderated list, but set to allow messages to appear instantly as posted.
This is a serious list, considered to have originated from the WSIS caucus,
and it is necessary to ensure that this remains a serious list. Managing
this as a list open for subscription by anyone, without any idea of who is
subscribing or any idea of the subscriber's background dilutes the
significance of this list.

Setting the list to moderated mode does not mean that every message by every
member needs to be moderated. The moderators can exercise judgement and
allow "override moderation" privileges to most members to allow them to post
without moderation. The most recent members or even older members if they
happen to fit into the description of a troll or distractor could be set to
message moderation.

A second list is also a good idea, but this idea could be combined with
Avri's suggestion of a working group model for very important, select topic
areas or tasks, but we need to be cautious and avoid the temptation to
create too many working groups.

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Eric Dierker
<cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> This exists here. The very normal 5 post limit.  Note, no one has broken
> it.  Kind of shows that the complaint is not that legitimate.
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/14/09, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Trying to "fix" the list
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette at wzb.eu>
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 9:48 AM
>
>
> Dear All
>
> I am on a list on which they imposed a quota of daily posting by members -
> that will at least address the issue of having some members commenting on
> every single posting that others submit on a given issue. Anyone exceeding
> the quota gets a warning and after that suspension for x amount of time.
>
> Obviously there should be exceptions for list admin/ event up-date
> announcements etc by list administrators.
>
> And implement something like this is no more censorship than setting a time
> limit during question time/ not allowing same person to make more than one
> question during question time/ not accepting submission of more than x
> hundred words. Time is valuable, we are all very busy and so it is only fair
> that we allow as many people a voice in as short time as possible, taking
> into account that we have to set aside time to read others' contributions.
>
> And unless we are voting, could we perhaps cut down on "yes, I agree"/
> "good point, Joe Soap" - unless Joe Soap's point actually makes you change
> your mind, in which case you might want to retract/ amend your earlier
> position making it clear that that is what you are doing.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui
>
>
>
>
> 2009/8/14 Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think it is a mistake to conflate the issue of discourse pollution with
>> the issue of decision making capacity.
>>
>>
>> The strength of this list relies on its openness, which facilitates
>> contributions from IG participants and observers regardless of their
>> membership status. If we moved advocacy related discussions to more specific
>> lists, the general discussion list would most likely become irrelevant
>> within a few months. So, like Avri, I am very much against creating or
>> moving the discussion to new lists as a means of dealing with abuse.
>>
>> The creation of troll filters is a good interim solution but not
>> sufficient to protect the open space of this list. For example, filters
>> don't prevent ad hominem attacks.
>>
>> After having skimmed through the "unsubscribe" discussion of the last 10
>> days, I get the feeling that the lack of decision making capacity, which is
>> so typical for this list, applies also to the issue of trolls.
>>
>> My suggestion would be to ask the coordinators to come up with a few
>> options for action.
>> One option, supported by Ginger and Parminder, is to move this discussion
>> elsewhere.
>> Another option would be to adjust our charter by adding a section on
>> abuse.
>>
>> The following para of our charter, for example, could be expanded a bit to
>> take into account other forms of of discourse pollution:
>>
>> "Some of the specific guidelines that will be enforced include those
>> relating to:
>> *No personal insults
>> *No spam"
>>
>> The members of this list would have to agree on a general definition of
>> abuse and appropriate means of action against it.
>>
>>
>> There might be other options. In any case, I would like to ask out
>> coordinators to apply some form of leadership to overcome the present
>> impasse and help restoring this discussion space.
>>
>> jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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