[governance] Trying to "fix" the list

[Parminder]

Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It would be a fundamental change to the openness of the list. 
> Especially given the number of well respected people who are 
> participants on the list and not 'members'.
Avri

As per what I suggest no fundamental change takes place. The well 
respected people you speak of can continue to be participants, and they 
have as much right in all discussions as anyone else. It is their choice 
if they want to also be members to take part in IGC decisions, those of 
which just must be taken.

>
> I would not be in favor because it is a movement away from 
> transparency (not matter what i feel about being personally baited 
> from time to time) and because it would end a very important kind of 
> outreach this list has - one can sign up, be here, participate and 
> then decide to join when it came time to vote on something (or sooner 
> if wished).
Nothing is done to outreach either. The list remains as open for anyone 
to subscribe. Membership also remains open if one wants to be a member 
and subscribes to the charter, which is the condition for membership.

An excessive and unthinking accent on formal openness/ participation can 
come at the expense of real or substantive openness/ participation, and 
the IGC is a good instance of it. An IGC made ineffective because we 
dont take the minimum necessary decisions/ measures drives people away, 
and also otherwise greatly reduces effectiveness of IGC as a conduit of 
participation of voices that are otherwise poorly represented in global 
IG forums.

>
> If anything i would recommend, and support, the creation of smaller 
> side lists that were topical and project oriented (i.e. to write a 
> statement on x), closed for posting to IGC members and invited others, 
> but with open archives.
Should be in any case useful. But there are not enough active IGC 
members willing to get into such huddles. Finally, everything depends on 
the quality of discussions on the IGC general list, and the substantive 
impact and, consequent, recognition/ status IGC can earn. I think we can 
all agree that the current set of events that this thread has developed 
in response to does not promise to take us in that direction.

Therefore small topical lists does nothing to address the issue we are 
facing, though I am greatly for them.

Parminder

>
> a.
>
> On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:07, Ginger Paque wrote:
>
>> Is it possible for us to propose and implement a trial procedure to 
>> later be voted upon and approved by the list?
>>
>> Can we ask cpsr to open another list for the IGC, called "related 
>> topics". This would be an open list. We would change the governance 
>> list from an open list to a moderated membership, where new members 
>> would have to be approved by the coordinators upon signing up.
>>
>> Coordinators could transfer any thread to the related topic list if 
>> it is not directly related to IG process substance. This would be one 
>> of the duties of the coordinators, and would not require approval, 
>> vote or consensus.
>>
>> After 60 days or so, we could vote on the procedure and add it to the 
>> charter.
>>
>> Is this practical, appropriate, legal?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> I ran into Alejandro Pissanty (sp?) yesterday and he thinks we should 
>> take pre-emptive action and remove three people. I do not think that 
>> is a proper procedure, although I have to admit, I would be willing 
>> to do it, and then resign for improper conduct, if I thought the ICG 
>> would be able to make it stick :o)
>>
>> gp
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